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Found=C2=A0 the post.=C2=A0 https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/toploa=
der.4170/=C2=A0 He used the 2.90 1st gear and then used 2.72 rear gears. So=
, yes, he did get the effect of an overdrive without=C2=A0 the final Toploa=
der ratio changing from 1 to 1. Jeep used a Toploader in 1980-86 that had a=
3.00 1st gear and rather even spacing. It is known as the T-178. Looked lo=
ng and hard for one of those and never found it. I believe it was used in t=
he larger pick up they had at the time. Likely not strong enough for a buil=
t engine but for a stock to mild engine it accomplished what Malibu Review =
did and you got an aluminum case too.
-----Original Message-----
From: twotigers@verizon.net
To: 'Thomas Witt' <atwittsend@verizon.net>; tigers@autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2021 4:17 pm
Subject: RE: [Tigers] fuel milage
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k up Malibu Revue on the CAT website. He=E2=80=99s done a lot of toploaders=
with the (IIRC) 2.72 final drive. =C2=A0From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox=
.team.net> On Behalf Of Thomas Witt via Tigers
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 12:45 PM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel milage =C2=A0"... substitution of the 4th gear w=
ith a 5th gear" =C2=A0Are you=C2=A0speaking of swapping only the Toploader =
4th gear to something equal=C2=A0to an overdrive ratio (meaning 5th Gear - =
like)..., or are you stating=C2=A0to swap the whole Toploader 4 speed for s=
omething like a T-5, 5 speed? =C2=A0The was an overdrive version of the Top=
loader that had an overdrive 4th gear. But as this link states it was not a=
performance transmission.=C2=A0http://davidkeetoploaders.com/imposters.htm=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I believe is was used only in the 77-78 Ford Granada. Frankly =
I frequented wrecking yards back when they were prevalent (they are virtual=
ly non-existent today) and I never recall seeing anything but automatics. T=
here was also the SROD overdrive 4 speed transmission. It has an equally ba=
d reputation and a shifter location issue. Gear spacing was at least one of=
the problems with these transmissions. So, unless there is some special ge=
ar out there from the Toploader vendors the advantage is mileage only and n=
ot any reliability or performance driving enhancement.
-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com>
To: clydemclaughlin@verizon.net
Cc: Tiger List List <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2021 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel milageI want to thank those who responded as you=
=E2=80=99ve provided much food for thought. =C2=A0With my engine I=E2=80=
=99d consider mid-20s MPG to be a victory. =C2=A0One option that hasn=E2=80=
=99t been chronicled for those with stock 4 speed top loaders is substituti=
on of the 4th gear with a 5th gear. =C2=A0For the =C2=A0open road of course=
. =C2=A0~Allan Ballard~~Mk1a Tiger~~Series I Alpine=C2=A0 =C2=A0Sent from m=
y iPhone
On Dec 11, 2021, at 2:56 PM, clyde mclaughlin via Tigers <tigers@autox.team=
.net> wrote:
I need to preface this posting with the idea that everyone will have commen=
ts on their personal experiences and ideas about fuel milage. I don't want =
to start a two week dialog on the subject, but would like to through out a =
few of my opinions on the subject. =C2=A0First and foremost fuel mileage an=
d rear tire =C2=A0wear has a direct correlation to your right foot! Secondl=
y gearing would be the next most bang for the buck, i.e. stock 2:88's and a=
5speed OD transmission, followed with good engine tuning. =C2=A0Tire size =
that was previously mentioned would be very negligible given the restrictio=
ns of tire/rim combinations for our Tigers. =C2=A0I recall in the 50's when=
the hot dodders were jacking up the rear with spring shackles and other me=
thods, us sports car people laughed and figure they have done it for fuel m=
ileage because now it is going down hill all the time, Ha Ha! I can comment=
that my car had 3:54 gears with the 4 speed and a k code engine, mileage a=
bout as poor as it gets, I currently have 3:07 gears with a 5speed and with=
70-75 highway speed I get 23-25mpg. =C2=A0Carb fuel =C2=A0mixture is about=
3.5% CO with less than 200HC at idle and runs very well, it will lean out =
to about 2.5%CO and 150HC at a no load 2000rpm. =C2=A0Forgot to mention I h=
ave 13 inch tires, 205/60 rear 185/60 front.
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<div style=3D"color:black;font: 10pt arial;">Found the post. ht=
tps://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/toploader.4170/ He used the 2.=
90 1st gear and then used 2.72 rear gears. So, yes, he did get the <span st=
yle=3D"font-style: italic;">effect</span> of an overdrive without the=
final Toploader ratio changing from 1 to 1. Jeep used a Toploader in 1980-=
86 that had a 3.00 1st gear and rather even spacing. It is known as the T-1=
78. Looked long and hard for one of those and never found it. I believe it =
was used in the larger pick up they had at the time. Likely not strong enou=
gh for a built engine but for a stock to mild engine it accomplished what M=
alibu Review did and you got an aluminum case too.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font=
size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: twotigers@verizon.net<br>
To: 'Thomas Witt' <atwittsend@verizon.net>; tigers@autox.team.net<br>
Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2021 4:17 pm<br>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] fuel milage<br>
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<div class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal">Look up Malibu Revue on the CAT websi=
te. He=E2=80=99s done a lot of toploaders with the (IIRC) 2.72 final drive.=
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0in 0in;">
<div class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers <tigers-bounce=
s@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas Witt via Tigers<br clear=3D=
"none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 17, 2021 12:45 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b=
>To:</b> tigers@autox.team.net<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tiger=
s] fuel milage</div>
</div>
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<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;fo=
nt-family:sans-serif;color:black;">"... substitution of the 4th gear with a=
5th gear"</span></i><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif=
;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Are you speaking of swapping only the =
Toploader 4th gear to something equal to an overdrive ratio (meaning 5=
th Gear - like)..., or are you stating to swap the whole Toploader 4 s=
peed for something like a T-5, 5 speed?</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal"><span=
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">The was an =
overdrive version of the Toploader that had an overdrive 4th gear. But as t=
his link states it was not a performance transmission. <a rel=3D"nofol=
low noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://da=
vidkeetoploaders.com/imposters.htm">http://davidkeetoploaders.com/imposters=
.htm</a> I believe is was used only in the 77-78 Ford Granada. =
Frankly I frequented wrecking yards back when they were prevalent (they are=
virtually non-existent today) and I never recall seeing anything but autom=
atics. There was also the SROD overdrive 4 speed transmission. It has an eq=
ually bad reputation and a shifter location issue. Gear spacing was at leas=
t one of the problems with these transmissions. So, unless there is some sp=
ecial gear out there from the Toploader vendors the advantage is mileage on=
ly and not any reliability or performance driving enhancement.<br clear=3D"=
none"><br clear=3D"none"></span></div>
<div>
<div style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal"><span=
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">-----Origin=
al Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From: Allan Ballard <<a rel=3D"nofollo=
w noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.=
com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com";>aballard@ix.n=
etcom.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">To: <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener norefer=
rer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:clydemclaughlin@verizon.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:clydemclaughlin@verizon.net";>clydemclaughlin@ver=
izon.net</a><br clear=3D"none">Cc: Tiger List List <<a rel=3D"nofollow n=
oopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"=
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.=
net</a>><br clear=3D"none">Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2021 12:18 pm<br clear=3D"=
none">Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel milage</span></div>
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<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">I want to thank those who responded as you=
=E2=80=99ve provided much food for thought. </span></div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">With my engine I=E2=80=99d consider mid-20s=
MPG to be a victory.</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">One option that hasn=E2=80=99t been chronic=
led for those with stock 4 speed top loaders is substitution of the 4th gea=
r with a 5th gear.</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">For the open road of course.</span></=
div>
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family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">~Allan Ballard</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">~~Mk1a Tiger</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">~~Series I Alpine </span></div>
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style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"><br clear=
=3D"none">On Dec 11, 2021, at 2:56 PM, clyde mclaughlin via Tigers <<a r=
el=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>ti=
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<div class=3D"yiv2112549793MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">I need to preface this posting with the ide=
a that everyone will have comments on their personal experiences and ideas =
about fuel milage. I don't want to start a two week dialog on the subject, =
but would like to through out a few of my opinions on the subject. Fi=
rst and foremost fuel mileage and rear tire wear has a direct correla=
tion to your right foot! Secondly gearing would be the next most bang for t=
he buck, i.e. stock 2:88's and a 5speed OD transmission, followed with good=
engine tuning. Tire size that was previously mentioned would be very=
negligible given the restrictions of tire/rim combinations for our Tigers.=
I recall in the 50's when the hot dodders were jacking up the rear w=
ith spring shackles and other methods, us sports car people laughed and fig=
ure they have done it for fuel mileage because now it is going down hill al=
l the time, Ha Ha! I can comment that my car had 3:54 gears with the 4 spee=
d and a k code engine, mileage about as poor as it gets, I currently have 3=
:07 gears with a 5speed and with 70-75 highway speed I get 23-25mpg. =
Carb fuel mixture is about 3.5% CO with less than 200HC at idle and r=
uns very well, it will lean out to about 2.5%CO and 150HC at a no load 2000=
rpm. Forgot to mention I have 13 inch tires, 205/60 rear 185/60 front=
.</span></div>
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