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"... substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear"
Are you=C2=A0speaking of swapping only the Toploader 4th gear to something =
equal=C2=A0to an overdrive ratio (meaning 5th Gear - like)..., or are you s=
tating=C2=A0to swap the whole Toploader 4 speed for something like a T-5, 5=
speed?
The was an overdrive version of the Toploader that had an overdrive 4th gea=
r. But as this link states it was not a performance transmission.=C2=A0http=
://davidkeetoploaders.com/imposters.htm=C2=A0 =C2=A0I believe is was used o=
nly in the 77-78 Ford Granada. Frankly I frequented wrecking yards back whe=
n they were prevalent (they are virtually non-existent today) and I never r=
ecall seeing anything but automatics. There was also the SROD overdrive 4 s=
peed transmission. It has an equally bad reputation and a shifter location =
issue. Gear spacing was at least one of the problems with these transmissio=
ns. So, unless there is some special gear out there from the Toploader vend=
ors the advantage is mileage only and not any reliability or performance dr=
iving enhancement.
-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com>
To: clydemclaughlin@verizon.net
Cc: Tiger List List <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2021 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel milage
I want to thank those who responded as you=E2=80=99ve provided much food fo=
r thought.
With my engine I=E2=80=99d consider mid-20s MPG to be a victory.
One option that hasn=E2=80=99t been chronicled for those with stock 4 speed=
top loaders is substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear.
For the =C2=A0open road of course.
~Allan Ballard~~Mk1a Tiger~~Series I Alpine=C2=A0
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 11, 2021, at 2:56 PM, clyde mclaughlin via Tigers <tigers@autox.team=
.net> wrote:
I need to preface this posting with the idea that everyone will have commen=
ts on their personal experiences and ideas about fuel milage. I don't want =
to start a two week dialog on the subject, but would like to through out a =
few of my opinions on the subject. =C2=A0First and foremost fuel mileage an=
d rear tire =C2=A0wear has a direct correlation to your right foot! Secondl=
y gearing would be the next most bang for the buck, i.e. stock 2:88's and a=
5speed OD transmission, followed with good engine tuning. =C2=A0Tire size =
that was previously mentioned would be very negligible given the restrictio=
ns of tire/rim combinations for our Tigers. =C2=A0I recall in the 50's when=
the hot dodders were jacking up the rear with spring shackles and other me=
thods, us sports car people laughed and figure they have done it for fuel m=
ileage because now it is going down hill all the time, Ha Ha! I can comment=
that my car had 3:54 gears with the 4 speed and a k code engine, mileage a=
bout as poor as it gets, I currently have 3:07 gears with a 5speed and with=
70-75 highway speed I get 23-25mpg. =C2=A0Carb fuel =C2=A0mixture is about=
3.5% CO with less than 200HC at idle and runs very well, it will lean out =
to about 2.5%CO and 150HC at a no load 2000rpm. =C2=A0Forgot to mention I h=
ave 13 inch tires, 205/60 rear 185/60 front.
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<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: small; font-s=
tyle: italic;">"... substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear"</span><br=
>
</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: small;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: small;">Are y=
ou speaking of swapping only the Toploader 4th gear to something equal=
to an overdrive ratio (meaning 5th Gear - like)..., or are you statin=
g to swap the whole Toploader 4 speed for something like a T-5, 5 spee=
d?</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
The was an overdrive version of the Toploader that had an overdrive 4th gea=
r. But as this link states it was not a performance transmission. http=
://davidkeetoploaders.com/imposters.htm I believe is was used o=
nly in the 77-78 Ford Granada. Frankly I frequented wrecking yards back whe=
n they were prevalent (they are virtually non-existent today) and I never r=
ecall seeing anything but automatics. There was also the SROD overdrive 4 s=
peed transmission. It has an equally bad reputation and a shifter location =
issue. Gear spacing was at least one of the problems with these transmissio=
ns. So, unless there is some special gear out there from the Toploader vend=
ors the advantage is mileage only and not any reliability or performance dr=
iving enhancement.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font=
size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com><br>
To: clydemclaughlin@verizon.net<br>
Cc: Tiger List List <tigers@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2021 12:18 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel milage<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"yiv3593934553">
<div>I want to thank those who responded as you=E2=80=99ve provided much fo=
od for thought.
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>With my engine I=E2=80=99d consider mid-20s MPG to be a victory.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>One option that hasn=E2=80=99t been chronicled for those with stock 4 =
speed top loaders is substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>For the open road of course.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>~Allan Ballard</div>
<div>~~Mk1a Tiger</div>
<div>~~Series I Alpine </div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv3593934553AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone=
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ughlin via Tigers <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect=
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<div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt arial;">I need to preface this posting =
with the idea that everyone will have comments on their personal experience=
s and ideas about fuel milage. I don't want to start a two week dialog on t=
he subject, but would like to through out a few of my opinions on the subje=
ct. First and foremost fuel mileage and rear tire wear has a di=
rect correlation to your right foot! Secondly gearing would be the next mos=
t bang for the buck, i.e. stock 2:88's and a 5speed OD transmission, follow=
ed with good engine tuning. Tire size that was previously mentioned w=
ould be very negligible given the restrictions of tire/rim combinations for=
our Tigers. I recall in the 50's when the hot dodders were jacking u=
p the rear with spring shackles and other methods, us sports car people lau=
ghed and figure they have done it for fuel mileage because now it is going =
down hill all the time, Ha Ha! I can comment that my car had 3:54 gears wit=
h the 4 speed and a k code engine, mileage about as poor as it gets, I curr=
ently have 3:07 gears with a 5speed and with 70-75 highway speed I get 23-2=
5mpg. Carb fuel mixture is about 3.5% CO with less than 200HC a=
t idle and runs very well, it will lean out to about 2.5%CO and 150HC at a =
no load 2000rpm. Forgot to mention I have 13 inch tires, 205/60 rear =
185/60 front.<span></span></div>
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