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Look up Malibu Revue on the CAT website. He=E2=80=99s done a lot of =
toploaders with the (IIRC) 2.72 final drive.
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From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Thomas Witt =
via Tigers
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 12:45 PM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel milage
=20
"... substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear"
=20
Are you speaking of swapping only the Toploader 4th gear to something =
equal to an overdrive ratio (meaning 5th Gear - like)..., or are you =
stating to swap the whole Toploader 4 speed for something like a T-5, 5 =
speed?
=20
The was an overdrive version of the Toploader that had an overdrive 4th =
gear. But as this link states it was not a performance transmission. =
http://davidkeetoploaders.com/imposters.htm I believe is was used only =
in the 77-78 Ford Granada. Frankly I frequented wrecking yards back when =
they were prevalent (they are virtually non-existent today) and I never =
recall seeing anything but automatics. There was also the SROD overdrive =
4 speed transmission. It has an equally bad reputation and a shifter =
location issue. Gear spacing was at least one of the problems with these =
transmissions. So, unless there is some special gear out there from the =
Toploader vendors the advantage is mileage only and not any reliability =
or performance driving enhancement.
-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com =
Cc: Tiger List List <tigers@autox.team.net =
Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2021 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel milage
I want to thank those who responded as you=E2=80=99ve provided much food =
for thought.=20
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With my engine I=E2=80=99d consider mid-20s MPG to be a victory.
=20
One option that hasn=E2=80=99t been chronicled for those with stock 4 =
speed top loaders is substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear.
=20
For the open road of course.
=20
~Allan Ballard
~~Mk1a Tiger
~~Series I Alpine=20
=20
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 11, 2021, at 2:56 PM, clyde mclaughlin via Tigers =
I need to preface this posting with the idea that everyone will have =
comments on their personal experiences and ideas about fuel milage. I =
don't want to start a two week dialog on the subject, but would like to =
through out a few of my opinions on the subject. First and foremost =
fuel mileage and rear tire wear has a direct correlation to your right =
foot! Secondly gearing would be the next most bang for the buck, i.e. =
stock 2:88's and a 5speed OD transmission, followed with good engine =
tuning. Tire size that was previously mentioned would be very =
negligible given the restrictions of tire/rim combinations for our =
Tigers. I recall in the 50's when the hot dodders were jacking up the =
rear with spring shackles and other methods, us sports car people =
laughed and figure they have done it for fuel mileage because now it is =
going down hill all the time, Ha Ha! I can comment that my car had 3:54 =
gears with the 4 speed and a k code engine, mileage about as poor as it =
gets, I currently have 3:07 gears with a 5speed and with 70-75 highway =
speed I get 23-25mpg. Carb fuel mixture is about 3.5% CO with less =
than 200HC at idle and runs very well, it will lean out to about 2.5%CO =
and 150HC at a no load 2000rpm. Forgot to mention I have 13 inch tires, =
205/60 rear 185/60 front.
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Look up Malibu Revue on the =
CAT website. He=E2=80=99s done a lot of toploaders with the (IIRC) 2.72 =
final drive.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
<tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas Witt =
via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 17, 2021 12:45 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> tigers@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] =
fuel milage<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&qu=
ot;... substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th =
gear"</span></i><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Are=
you speaking of swapping only the Toploader 4th gear to something =
equal to an overdrive ratio (meaning 5th Gear - like)..., or are =
you stating to swap the whole Toploader 4 speed for something like =
a T-5, 5 speed?</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
was an overdrive version of the Toploader that had an overdrive 4th =
gear. But as this link states it was not a performance =
transmission. <a =
href=3D"http://davidkeetoploaders.com/imposters.htm";>http://davidkeetoplo=
aders.com/imposters.htm</a> I believe is was used only in =
the 77-78 Ford Granada. Frankly I frequented wrecking yards back when =
they were prevalent (they are virtually non-existent today) and I never =
recall seeing anything but automatics. There was also the SROD overdrive =
4 speed transmission. It has an equally bad reputation and a shifter =
location issue. Gear spacing was at least one of the problems with these =
transmissions. So, unless there is some special gear out there from the =
Toploader vendors the advantage is mileage only and not any reliability =
or performance driving enhancement.<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: Allan Ballard <<a =
href=3D"mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com";>aballard@ix.netcom.com</a>><br>=
To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:clydemclaughlin@verizon.net";>clydemclaughlin@verizon.net</=
a><br>Cc: Tiger List List <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br>Se=
nt: Fri, Dec 17, 2021 12:18 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel =
milage<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3Dyiv3593934553><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
want to thank those who responded as you=E2=80=99ve provided much food =
for thought. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Wit=
h my engine I=E2=80=99d consider mid-20s MPG to be a =
victory.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>One=
option that hasn=E2=80=99t been chronicled for those with stock 4 speed =
top loaders is substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th =
gear.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>For=
the open road of course.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>~Al=
lan Ballard<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>~~M=
k1a Tiger<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>~~S=
eries I Alpine <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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t from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3Dyiv3593934553yqt08172><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br=
>On Dec 11, 2021, at 2:56 PM, clyde mclaughlin via Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> =
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style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
need to preface this posting with the idea that everyone will have =
comments on their personal experiences and ideas about fuel milage. I =
don't want to start a two week dialog on the subject, but would like to =
through out a few of my opinions on the subject. First and =
foremost fuel mileage and rear tire wear has a direct correlation =
to your right foot! Secondly gearing would be the next most bang for the =
buck, i.e. stock 2:88's and a 5speed OD transmission, followed with good =
engine tuning. Tire size that was previously mentioned would be =
very negligible given the restrictions of tire/rim combinations for our =
Tigers. I recall in the 50's when the hot dodders were jacking up =
the rear with spring shackles and other methods, us sports car people =
laughed and figure they have done it for fuel mileage because now it is =
going down hill all the time, Ha Ha! I can comment that my car had 3:54 =
gears with the 4 speed and a k code engine, mileage about as poor as it =
gets, I currently have 3:07 gears with a 5speed and with 70-75 highway =
speed I get 23-25mpg. Carb fuel mixture is about 3.5% CO =
with less than 200HC at idle and runs very well, it will lean out to =
about 2.5%CO and 150HC at a no load 2000rpm. Forgot to mention I =
have 13 inch tires, 205/60 rear 185/60 =
front.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><blockquote =
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