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It looks like they are not carrying Sunbeam stuff any more, nothing for us
in their catalog now.
Stu
On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 6:29 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:
> Jay
>
> As I understand it Moss bought VB. That might be a goo=
d
> thing if Moss maintains a Sunbeam inventory and they upgrade quality and
> description of those parts.
>
> I don=E2=80=99t know if Moss just bought the inventory of VB or the build=
ing
> too. Since VB was part of LMC Trucks complex anything is possible.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Jay <jay.laifman@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 02, 2021 11:35 AM
> *To:* Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com>
> *Cc:* Stu <sabre2tgr@gmail.com>; Tigers <tigers@Autox.Team.Net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild - Why always SS
>
>
>
> Ron makes a good point about buying from SS. When I first got my Alpine
> in 1978, I was in high school and on a tighter budget. So cost mattered.
> SS was usually more expensive, and I would get parts from other vendors -
> ignoring the little story in the back of the SS catalog showing why their
> stuff was different. SS really went the extra step to get things done
> right, and so much of what the other places had was garbage. I ended up
> basically throwing out carpet, full rubber kit, and tonneau from other
> suppliers. VB even had the wrong servos for the car. I won=E2=80=99t bu=
y from
> anyone else but SS now. Of course Rick is now a good friend.
>
>
>
> There was also Curt or Kurt of Classic Sunbeams (I think that was the
> name), on the east coast. I believe he and Rick worked together in
> designing and getting many of the parts made. So I would have equally go=
ne
> to Curt if not for my later friendship with Rick. I don=E2=80=99t know i=
f Curt is
> still out there.
>
>
>
> And now VB no longer exists either. Just as well. I don=E2=80=99t know =
where
> their inventory went. But I=E2=80=99d still be careful of buying any of =
it.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Jay
>
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Stu
>
> 1st you need to determine which style seat you have and
> compare to the illustrations in the SS catalog . Joe Parlanti=E2=80=99s=
article
> is excellent for that style seat cover and similar covers but there is al=
so
> a seat cover with a separate center section. Once you know which style,
> you can make an order.
>
>
>
> No matter which style seat you have =E2=80=93 always take pictures and ta=
ke really
> good notes as you disassemble the seats.
>
> Disassembly is the easy part =E2=80=93 its understanding the assembly pro=
cess that
> takes time and thought to organize.
>
> Some parts may be SIDED so carefully note and mark them.
>
>
>
> Check the condition of all the hardware and fasteners =E2=80=93 SS has mo=
st of
> them available.
>
> I had to also buy a couple of taps and dies, 1/4=E2=80=9D x 26 BSF and 5/=
16=E2=80=9D x 22
> BSF, to clear up some threads.
>
>
>
> I had bad luck a long time ago with the rubber diaphragms; they ripped an=
d
> fell apart too quickly. I=E2=80=99m not sure where I got those diaphrag=
ms but the
> ones I got from SS are doing nicely.
>
>
>
> I believe the way to install the rubber diaphragms is to attach diagonal
> corners 1st then attach the rest of the clips. The corners should be
> fairly easy but the rest of them may become more difficult and require mo=
re
> effort as you proceed. It has been way too long since I did any of this
> work so work carefully.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Stu via
> Tigers
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 01, 2021 7:52 PM
> *To:* Tiger Net <Tigers@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild
>
>
>
> I've seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the
> seats, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps. My seats
> from my Mk 1A have the rubber diaphragm. Is there any info on line abou=
t
> restoring Mk 1A seats? I want to be sure I know what I'm getting into
> before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping mine apart.
>
>
>
> Stu
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">It =
looks like they are not carrying=C2=A0Sunbeam stuff any=C2=A0 more, nothing=
for us in their catalog now.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:sm=
all">Stu</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 6:29 PM Ron Fraser <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:rfraser@bluefrog.com">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail-m_1300674458242781607WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jay<u=
></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 As I understand it M=
oss bought VB.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 That might be a good thing if Moss maintai=
ns a Sunbeam inventory and they upgrade quality and description of those pa=
rts.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99t know if Moss j=
ust bought the inventory of VB or the building too.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Since VB wa=
s part of LMC Trucks complex anything is possible.<u></u><u></u></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u=
></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div st=
yle=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt=
solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From=
:</b> Jay <<a href=3D"mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">ja=
y.laifman@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 02, 2021 11:35 A=
M<br><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser <<a href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Stu <<a href=3D=
"mailto:sabre2tgr@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">sabre2tgr@gmail.com</a>>;=
Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net"; target=3D"_blank">tige=
rs@Autox.Team.Net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuil=
d - Why always SS<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></=
u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron makes a good point about buyi=
ng from SS.=C2=A0 When I first got my Alpine in 1978, I was in high school =
and on a tighter budget.=C2=A0 So cost mattered.=C2=A0 SS was usually more =
expensive, and I would get parts from other vendors - ignoring the little s=
tory in the back of the SS catalog showing why their stuff was different.=
=C2=A0 SS really went the extra step to get things done right, and so much =
of what the other places had was garbage.=C2=A0 I ended up basically throwi=
ng out carpet, full rubber kit, and tonneau from other suppliers.=C2=A0 VB =
even had the wrong servos for the car.=C2=A0 I won=E2=80=99t buy from anyon=
e else but SS now.=C2=A0 Of course Rick is now a good friend.<u></u><u></u>=
</p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">There was also Curt or Kurt of Classic Sunbeams (I think tha=
t was the name), on the east coast.=C2=A0 I believe he and Rick worked toge=
ther in designing and getting many of the parts made.=C2=A0 So I would have=
equally gone to Curt if not for my later friendship with Rick.=C2=A0 I don=
=E2=80=99t know if Curt is still out there.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">And now VB no longer exists either.=C2=A0 Just as well.=C2=A0 I don=E2=
=80=99t know where their inventory went.=C2=A0 But I=E2=80=99d still be car=
eful of buying any of it.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best,<u></u><u>=
</u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jay<u></u><u></u></p><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Apr =
2, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@aut=
ox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><=
u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal">Stu<span class=3D"gmail-m_1300674458242781607apple-con=
verted-space">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1<sup>st</sup><span class=3D"gmail-m_1300674458242781=
607apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>you need to determine which style se=
at you have and compare to the illustrations in the SS catalog .=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 Joe Parlanti=E2=80=99s article is excellent for that style seat cover a=
nd similar covers but there is also a seat cover with a separate center sec=
tion.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Once you know which style, you can make an order.<u></u><=
u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">No matter which style seat you have =E2=80=93 al=
ways take pictures and take really good notes as you disassemble the seats.=
<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Disassembly is the easy=
part =E2=80=93 its understanding the assembly process that takes time and =
thought to organize.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Som=
e parts may be SIDED so carefully note and mark them.<u></u><u></u></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">Check the condition of all the hardware and fasteners =E2=80=
=93 SS has most of them available.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">I had to also buy a couple of taps and dies, 1/4=E2=80=9D x 26 B=
SF and 5/16=E2=80=9D x 22 BSF, to clear up some threads.<u></u><u></u></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">I had bad luck a long time ago with the rubber diaphragms; =
they ripped and fell apart too quickly.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m not sure wh=
ere I got those diaphragms but the ones I got from SS are doing nicely.<u><=
/u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I believe the way to install the rubber diap=
hragms is to attach diagonal corners 1<sup>st</sup><span class=3D"gmail-m_1=
300674458242781607apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>then attach the rest =
of the clips.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The corners should be fairly easy but the rest of=
them may become more difficult and require more effort as you proceed.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 It has been way too long since I did any of this work so work car=
efully.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u>=
</u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hope this helps<u></u><u></u></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><=
span class=3D"gmail-m_1300674458242781607apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</spa=
n>Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bl=
ank">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>><span class=3D"gmail-m_1300674458=
242781607apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=3D"=
gmail-m_1300674458242781607apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span></b>Stu via =
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=3D"gmail-m_1300674458242781607apple-conve=
rted-space">=C2=A0</span>Thursday, April 01, 2021 7:52 PM<br><b>To:</b><spa=
n class=3D"gmail-m_1300674458242781607apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>T=
iger Net <<a href=3D"mailto:Tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">Tig=
ers@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"gmail-m_1300674=
458242781607apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>[Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild=
<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p=
></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
>I've seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the =
seats, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps.=C2=A0 My se=
ats from my Mk 1A=C2=A0 have the rubber diaphragm.=C2=A0 Is there any info =
on line about restoring Mk 1A seats?=C2=A0 I want to be sure I know what I&=
#39;m getting into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping=
mine apart.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div>=
</div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Stu</=
span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
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