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Cullen
You might point out to the seller the MKII currently for sale on the CAT for=
um. Seller is asking $150k. I have seen that car and it is among the best...=
a multiple award winner at east coast Sunbeam events.
The 200k+ cars (only 2 that I recall) sold 2 years ago and I have not seen a=
ny reach that price since.
The non-running rust bucket I mentioned went for 45k last year and Hagerty h=
as condition 4 cars near 70. So I would figure some where in between.
If seller will not budge, I would move on if it were me...just sayin'
Jim
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Cullen McCann via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.=
net> wrote:
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> Thank you all who contributed to my question about MKII values. I have use=
d the Hagerty Valuation tool many times, but I couple that knowledge with pe=
rsonal experiences.
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> I am aware of a Tiger Mk II "for sale" that I'm trying negotiate the possi=
ble sale of. Admittedly I was hoping to do so without opening up the floodga=
tes of other competition, hence my lack of detail.
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> He's asking 80 grand for a non driving car, with many critical MKII pieces=
that have not yet been confirmed. He may have them but I haven't seen them.=
The car does start, but does not drive. It also is packed in a garage with s=
tuff all around it, obstructing some of its inspection, but its very clearly=
a MKII. It is recorded in TBON. No visible rust but may have some body fill=
er, amount unknown. Communication is poor with the seller and his expectatio=
ns are unreasonable. He quotes a 240K sale on a MKII and is confident his ca=
r is worth 70-80 grand. I didn't think it is. I know of a couple driver qual=
ity MKII's that recently sold for less than 100k. Frustrating situation. He h=
as no inspiration to build the car, only to get rich off of it. If the deal w=
as right, I could possibly buy the car but I have no desire to overpay. I th=
ink the car is maybe "worth" 45 or 50 but he would just laugh. I have offere=
d him 30 without confirmation of the grill, top of grill trim and wheel arch=
es, and he didn't even respond to my offer.
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> Thank you so much for understanding and thank you for helping with discuss=
ion on values. Just trying to make sure I am representing my case realistica=
lly to the potential seller. My patience for negotiation is running out. I'v=
e been lightly pursuing the car since early 2013.
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> Thank you all!
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> Cullen
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>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Randall Antosiak <randya@pacbell.net> wr=
ote:
>> Hi Cullen -=20
>> As a starting point to determine the value of your car, you can go to the=
Hagerty web site and look it up. This site can give you a ball park number=
:
>> https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk_II
>>=20
>> Cars in #4 condition are daily drivers, and Hagerty gives the Mk 2 a valu=
e of $67,500 in this condition. =20
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>> Since you wrote your car is a basketcase and doesn't drive, it will be wo=
rth less. However, as long as you have all the rare parts (wheel arch trim,=
rocker trim, grill, eyebrow, tach), then I would guess a rock bottom value a=
round $55k -60k.
>>=20
>> - Randy
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> From: Cullen McCann via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
>> To: Tigers Den <tigers@autox.team.net>=20
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:30 PM
>> Subject: [Tigers] Mk2 values
>>=20
>> Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mark 2 Tiger values these d=
ays. We have all seen several come and go at auction in restored condition. I=
realize this question is so subjective it's nearly impossible to answer.
>> At least give me a Range. Assuming the following conditions are true:
>> Authentic mk2 tiger.=20
>> No visible rust or collision damage.=20
>> Matching engine, trans and rear end
>> Complete car with egg crate grill and wheel arch trim
>> Hardtop included.=20
>> Runs but does not drive.=20
>> Complete but needs total restoration. Basketcase.=20
>> Been in same family for 30 years.
>> What's the least a person would expect to pay?
>> What the most?
>> Thanks friends!!
>> Cullen
>> LROFE
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Cullen</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignat=
ure"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">You might point out to the sel=
ler the MKII currently for sale on the CAT forum. Seller is asking $150k. I h=
ave seen that car and it is among the best...a multiple award winner at east=
coast Sunbeam events.</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=
=3D"AppleMailSignature">The 200k+ cars (only 2 that I recall) sold 2 years a=
go and I have not seen any reach that price since.</div><div id=3D"AppleMail=
Signature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">The non-running rust buc=
ket I mentioned went for 45k last year and Hagerty has condition 4 cars near=
70. So I would figure some where in between.</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSigna=
ture"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">If seller will not budge, I w=
ould move on if it were me...just sayin'</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"=
><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Jim<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</di=
v><div><br>On Sep 16, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Cullen McCann via Tigers <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><=
br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thank you all w=
ho contributed to my question about MKII values. I have used t=
he Hagerty Valuation tool many times, but I couple that knowledge with p=
ersonal experiences. </div><div><br></div><div>I am aware of a Tiger Mk II "=
for sale" that I'm trying negotiate the possible sale of. Admittedly I was h=
oping to do so without opening up the floodgates of other com=
petition, hence my lack of detail.</div><div><br></div><div>He's asking 80 g=
rand for a non driving car, with many critical MKII pieces that have not yet=
been confirmed. He may have them but I haven't seen them. The car does=
start, but does not drive. It also is packed in a garage with stuff al=
l around it, obstructing some of its inspection, but its very clea=
rly a MKII. It is recorded in TBON. No visible rust but may h=
ave some body filler, amount unknown. Communication is poor with t=
he seller and his expectations are unreasonable. He quotes a 240K sale o=
n a MKII and is confident his car is worth 70-80 grand. I didn't t=
hink it is. I know of a couple driver quality MKII's that recently=
sold for less than 100k. Frustrating situation. He has no inspiration to bu=
ild the car, only to get rich off of it. If the deal was right, I could poss=
ibly buy the car but I have no desire to overpay. I think the car is maybe "=
worth" 45 or 50 but he would just laugh. I have offered him 30 without confi=
rmation of the grill, top of grill trim and wheel arches, and he didn't=
even respond to my offer.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you so much for un=
derstanding and thank you for helping with discussion on values. Just trying=
to make sure I am representing my case realistically to the potential s=
eller. My patience for negotiation is running out. I've been light=
ly pursuing the car since early 2013. </div><div><br></div><div>Thank y=
ou all!</div><div><br></div><div>Cullen</div><div><br></div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:36=
PM, Randall Antosiak <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:randya@pacbell=
.net" target=3D"_blank">randya@pacbell.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;fo=
nt-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-se=
rif;font-size:16px"><div><span>Hi Cullen - </span></div><div><span>As a=
starting point to determine the value of your car, you can go to the Hagert=
y web site and look it up. This site can give you a ball park number:<=
/span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><a href=3D"https://www.hagerty.com/apps/v=
aluationtools/1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk_II" target=3D"_blank">https://www.hagert=
y.com/apps/<wbr>valuationtools/1967-Sunbeam-<wbr>Tiger-Mk_II</a><br></span><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Cars in #4 condition are da=
ily drivers, and Hagerty gives the Mk 2 a value of $67,500 in this condition=
. </div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Since you wrote yo=
ur car is a basketcase and doesn't drive, it will be worth less. Howev=
er, as long as you have all the rare parts (wheel arch trim, rocker trim, gr=
ill, eyebrow, tach), then I would guess a rock bottom value around $55k -60k=
.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">- Randy</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br></div><div><br><br></div><div style=3D"display:block"> <div style=3D=
"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans=
-serif;font-size:16px"> <div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Ne=
ue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir=3D"ltr=
"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1"> <b><span style=3D"font-w=
eight:bold">From:</span></b> Cullen McCann via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:=
tigers@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br> <=
b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Tigers Den <<a href=3D"=
mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>>=
; <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, Septe=
mber 7, 2016 6:30 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span>=
</b> [Tigers] Mk2 values<br> </font> </div> <div><div><div class=3D"h5"><br>=
<div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mark 2 T=
iger values these days. We have all seen several come and go at auction in r=
estored condition. I realize this question is so subjective it's nearly impo=
ssible to answer. </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">At least give me a Range. Assuming the following conditions=
are true:</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Authentic mk2 tiger. <br>
No visible rust or collision damage. <br>
Matching engine, trans and rear end<br>
Complete car with egg crate grill and wheel arch trim<br>
Hardtop included. <br>
Runs but does not drive. <br>
Complete but needs total restoration. Basketcase. <br>
Been in same family for 30 years. </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">What's the least a person would expect to pay?<br>
What the most?<br></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks friends!!</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Cullen<br>
LROFE</div></div><br></div></div><span>______________________________<wbr>__=
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