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In dealing with overpriced real estate I tell the seller that, "I know
that we are far apart in what we think the house is worth. I understand that
you want to get as much as possible and I would do the same thing if I was
selling. Even though we can't agree right now, could you take my contact
information (have your information on a bright colored card or paper) and at
least give us a chance to talk if you decide that you might be willing to go
a little lower?."
You know that he's not coming down now and he may die before he comes
down. But, at least this is giving him the chance to shop around for a better
price and hopefully leaves the door open for you in the future. Whenever
I've used that approach the seller has always come back for a discussion.
Sometimes the deal can be made and other times someone will want it more
than you do.
Won't hurt to check in with the seller every 6 months to say hello. He'll
bring up the car discussion if you call:-)
In a message dated 9/16/2016 12:59:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
tigers@autox.team.net writes:
Thank you all who contributed to my question about MKII values. I have
used the Hagerty Valuation tool many times, but I couple that knowledge with
personal experiences.
I am aware of a Tiger Mk II "for sale" that I'm trying negotiate the
possible sale of. Admittedly I was hoping to do so without opening up the
floodgates of other competition, hence my lack of detail.
He's asking 80 grand for a non driving car, with many critical MKII pieces
that have not yet been confirmed. He may have them but I haven't seen
them. The car does start, but does not drive. It also is packed in a garage
with stuff all around it, obstructing some of its inspection, but its very
clearly a MKII. It is recorded in TBON. No visible rust but may have some body
filler, amount unknown. Communication is poor with the seller and his
expectations are unreasonable. He quotes a 240K sale on a MKII and is
confident
his car is worth 70-80 grand. I didn't think it is. I know of a couple
driver quality MKII's that recently sold for less than 100k. Frustrating
situation. He has no inspiration to build the car, only to get rich off of it.
If the deal was right, I could possibly buy the car but I have no desire to
overpay. I think the car is maybe "worth" 45 or 50 but he would just
laugh. I have offered him 30 without confirmation of the grill, top of grill
trim and wheel arches, and he didn't even respond to my offer.
Thank you so much for understanding and thank you for helping with
discussion on values. Just trying to make sure I am representing my case
realistically to the potential seller. My patience for negotiation is running
out.
I've been lightly pursuing the car since early 2013.
Thank you all!
Cullen
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Randall Antosiak <_randya@pacbell.net_
(mailto:randya@pacbell.net) > wrote:
Hi Cullen -
As a starting point to determine the value of your car, you can go to the
Hagerty web site and look it up. This site can give you a ball park number:
_https://www.hagerty.com/apps/https://www.hagerty.com/appshttps://www_
(https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk_II)
Cars in #4 condition are daily drivers, and Hagerty gives the Mk 2 a value
of $67,500 in this condition.
Since you wrote your car is a basketcase and doesn't drive, it will be
worth less. However, as long as you have all the rare parts (wheel arch trim,
rocker trim, grill, eyebrow, tach), then I would guess a rock bottom value
around $55k -60k.
- Randy
____________________________________
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(mailto:tigers@autox.team.net) >
To: Tigers Den <_tigers@autox.team.net_ (mailto:tigers@autox.team.net) >
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:30 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Mk2 values
Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mark 2 Tiger values these
days. We have all seen several come and go at auction in restored condition.
I realize this question is so subjective it's nearly impossible to answer.
At least give me a Range. Assuming the following conditions are true:
Authentic mk2 tiger.
No visible rust or collision damage.
Matching engine, trans and rear end
Complete car with egg crate grill and wheel arch trim
Hardtop included.
Runs but does not drive.
Complete but needs total restoration. Basketcase.
Been in same family for 30 years.
What's the least a person would expect to pay?
What the most?
Thanks friends!!
Cullen
LROFE
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<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Randall Antosi=
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dir=3Dltr><<A title=3Dmailto:randya@pacbell.net=20
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<DIV><SPAN>Hi Cullen - </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>As a starting point to determine the value of your car, you=
can=20
go to the Hagerty web site and look it up. This site can give yo=
u a=20
ball park number:</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><SPAN><A=20
title=3Dhttps://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1967-Sunbeam-Tiger=
-Mk_II=20
href=3D"https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1967-Sunbeam-Tiger=
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target=3D_blank>https://www.hagerty.com/apps/<WBR>valuationtools/1967-=
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<DIV dir=3Dltr><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Cars in #4 condition are daily drivers, and Hagerty giv=
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will be worth less. However, as long as you have all the rare pa=
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(wheel arch trim, rocker trim, grill, eyebrow, tach), then I would gue=
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rock bottom value around $55k -60k.</DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>- Randy</DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mark 2=
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restored condition. I realize this question is so subjective it's near=
ly=20
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>At least give me a Range. Assuming the following condit=
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egg=20
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>What's the least a person would expect to pay?<BR>What=
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>Thanks friends!!</DIV>
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