Hi Andy. I think you have a very good set of valid points, to which I
agree.
First, a good Tiger is a good Tiger. An abused Tiger is still abused,
no mater where it lives. The abused Tigers in the rust belt states
suffer more, since the bodies of all cars of that era were not made to
last, like they do now.
Second, the TAC program is spreading, but not at the pace the STOA had
wished. It is revving up here on the East Coast with 2 new Sr.
Inspectors, Tom Calvert and Paul Shehan, but you still need 2 regular
Inspectors along with the Sr to do a TAC.
Last year at TACFeast, Tom Hall came to Maryland to teach new
Inspectors, and TAC cars. It was successful, and we now have the Sr and
regular Inspectors to do the job from the Northeast to Fl, with relative
ease.
The Midwest is still devoid of Inspectors, and we need some enthusiast
to step up and hold a Midwest TACFeast to train and TAC cars.
With volunteers, it is hard both financially and time wise to get on a
plane and go to TAC 2 cars. Not the ideal situation, or what the TAC
program would like, but reality.
Tomorrow at the TE/AE Crab Feast, we will have a TAC session, and one of
the owners will be trailering his car over 2300 to get here from MN to
have it inspected.
Wow, that is super, but I know that not everyone can do this. Reality
again.
Does the TAC program enhance the Tigers value? If I was buying a Tiger,
and knew something or nothing, I would be more inclined to buy the car
if it was TACed. Reality might also say that I would pay more for that
car.
But you are right, the TAC program, as I understand from Tom Hall, who
along with Norm Miller started the program, was not initiated to
increase the value of the car, but to authenticate a car as a real
Tiger. Same as with the Shelby program, where lots of fakes exist.
Andy, the solution at the present time, might be that you have to go to
a National Club event, where there will most likely be a TACing session.
Not the best of all possible worlds, but reality again.
I lived in Pittsburgh when I bought my first Tiger, and met a life long
friend who had a Tiger there also. Mine finally bit the dust as an
abused car in the rust belt, but his is still Looking Good, because it
is cared for.
So, not a perfect world, but your views are valid. Come see us, and we
will hold a TAC event for sure.
Larry
Andy Walker wrote:
> Hi, everybody:
>
> I just wanted to take a moment to respond to this thread regarding values of
> Tigers in the Midwest. I'm aware that I'll probably get flamed for this,
> but what the heck; it's only my opinion. So, here goes.
>
> There seems to be a notion out there that Tigers residing in this part of
> the country are worth less than Tigers in other parts. Folks, a nice Tiger
> is a nice Tiger; it doesn't matter where in the country it is located. I
> would readily put my Mk1A up against any other Tiger in the country as far
> as quality is concerned. When put on a level playing field, i.e. equal
> quality of cars, how can someone say that the Midwest car is worth less?
> The only possible explanation for this is that the population concentrations
> of these cars seem to be on either coast, thereby making them more readily
> available to buyers in those areas if and when they come up for sale.
> Really, however, I think that's a crock because if someone is really serious
> about getting a nice car and there is one for sale in the Midwest part of
> the country, doesn't it stand to reason that this person would travel (if
> possible) to view and possibly buy the car?
>
> Personally (and let the flames begin), although I totally understand the
> reason for the existence of the TAC program, I just can't help thinking that
> it is part of the cause for this perception of value differences across the
> country. I was a member of this list when the TAC was formed and I remember
> people saying that it would end up allowing members who were fortunate
> enough to have a TAC inspection in their general area to be able to ask more
> for their cars come sale time because they were "authenticated." The
> originators of the TAC program, however, poo-pooed this idea, saying that
> nothing of the kind would happen. I think it is reasonable to assume at
> this point that, given the statement that "values of Tigers are less in the
> Midwest," the lack of a TAC program around here (Oklahoma, in my case) is
> definitely hurting values. I can only speak for my car and a couple of
> others I've known forever around here, but our cars are just as authentic as
> the ones on either coast that have been TACed...why, then, should they be
> considered to be of lower value, considering that the TAC program was
> supposedly not set up to inflate the value of "authenticated" Tigers in the
> first place?
>
> I would love to become a TAC inspector in my area, but I understand that it
> takes three TAC inspectors in any given area to make an authentication
> legal. Well, that blows us out of the water because there are hardly even
> enough Tiger owners around here to be called up for "duty." So, does the
> lack of a TAC program in the Midwest hurt the value of our cars? I think
> the answer is a resounding YES!
>
> Now, before I get flamed too badly, I do want to again point out that, on
> the whole, I think the TAC idea is a good one...in theory. I do wish,
> however, that the "theory" could be applied in other places besides just the
> coasts. I also want to point out that, whereas I don't feel that the group
> who birthed the TAC did it with the idea foremost in mind to build up the
> values of "authenticated" Tigers, I do believe that it has had that result.
> Anyway, this is just my two cents worth.
>
> Thanks,
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russ Eshelman" <RussE@Firstva.com>
> To: "Dave Abbott" <djabbo@yahoo.com>; <tigers@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Value of Tiger in the Midwest
>
>
>
>>Dave, It seems to make a difference what part of the country that you
>
> live
>
>>in also as to value. What kind of a price is he asking?
>>Russ
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Dave Abbott" <djabbo@yahoo.com>
>>To: <tigers@autox.team.net>
>>Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:01 PM
>>Subject: Value of Tiger in the Midwest
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi everyone,
>>>
>>>Getting a fair amount of disparity (from Tiger owners
>>>I have asked) as to the value of a 64 Tiger I am
>>>thinking about purchasing. Thought I would throw it
>>>by the experts! I know valuation is tough this way -
>>>but I'm looking for general feedback.
>>>
>>>The facts:
>>>
>>>SN#s do not match. 1964 Chassis, 1965 engine from a
>>>Fairlane.
>>>
>>>Engine was balanced and blue printed, about 25K miles
>>>on the rebuild, new Holly 4bbl carburetor, lots of
>>>chrome, nicely painted - SPOTLESS engine compartment.
>>>Will need to upgrade to aluminum radiator (or install
>>>aggressive fan) as it tends to get very hot if not
>>>moving. Runs great otherwise.
>>>
>>>Exterior - upgraded rims and tires, reasonable tread
>>>left. Chrome is in excellent condition, paint is good
>>>to excellent, guardsman red (couple of small scratches
>>>and one 3 inch crack). No rust on the frame. VERY
>>>strong curb appeal.
>>>
>>>Interior: Rough compared to rest of the car - Seats
>>>are out of a TR7 as the current owner was too tall for
>>>the originals. Most gauges work, will need to
>>>refinish the dash. Have the parts for the soft top,
>>>original has completely come apart. Needs carpet.
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>>-dave
>>
>
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