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Re: 4 point harnesses

To: npenney@mde.state.md.us, spitfires@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: 4 point harnesses
From: Tburke4@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:51:35 EDT
In a message dated 5/1/2003 7:40:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
npenney@mde.state.md.us writes:

Referring to my earlier post about rollbars and harnesses...

> Crushed vertebrae or ruptured spinal disc is an all to common problem
> resulting from the equally all to common improper mounting of a double
> shoulder harness rig like this one.
<<Clipped>>

I would agree with you almost entirely, though I have to say I have always 
been a bit suspicious of the stock Spitfire shoulder harness since it still 
goes up and over the seat back unlike modern setups that have a higher 
mounting point or a loop. James' injuries also indicate that the stock setup 
is not very effective.

> 
> On the stock 3 point harness the shoulder harness has its mount up
> roughly even with the shoulder, preventing downward forces.  A racing
> application of the double shoulder harness rig requires both shoulder
> straps be routed at the same shoulder height, normally over a bar on
> across the roll bar, or mounted directly to the roll bar.  When a double
> harness rig is mounted by a novice, it is routinely routed from the
> floorboards directly up to the drivers shoulders, with no roll bar. 
> This results in tremendous down force on the drivers shoulders in a
> collision, resulting in the spinal damage already mentioned.
> 
> 
> There is also a theory that a racing harness can result in more severe
> accident injury in a roll over without a roll bar then a 3 point harness
> would.  The claim is that with a 3 point harness, if you are in a roll
> over accident you can crawl down under the dashboard.  A racing harness
> prevents that ability.  Having been in some serious crashes that
> involved a lot of vehicle motion (never rolled a car, but I did fly off
> a canyon wall once in Colorado), I find the notion of crawling around
> the passenger compartment while crashing and flipping the car upside
> down to be absurd on its face.  
> 
> To the above roll over concerns, most Spitfire roll bars are too low to
> do any good, so the point is moot.  You are just as dead with the top 4
> inches of your body  crushed as you would be with the top 24 inches of
> it crushed.  As well, most Spitfire street roll bars are so poorly
> mounted as to be ineffective in a roll over, they just punch out through
> the floorboard. <<Clipped>>

I have to agree about  the rollbar height as well, though, I think it's 
better than no rollbar at all because it adds a little crush resistance in 
some circumstances. Our plan is to secure the rollbar mounting points by 
through-bolting into plates on the underside that match the size of the 
interior mounting plates. If I can figure a way to attach to the chassis, 
we'll do that, too. 

Based on this discussion, I think we'll add shoulder harness loops that mount 
on the rollbar so the stock harnesses can hang above the seat. That should 
also make the harness a little easier to reach.

Tom Burke
80 Spit (in no immediate danger of rollover)

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