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Re: Which carbs

To: td214@cam.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Which carbs
From: "Nolan Penney" <npenney@mde.state.md.us>
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:00:41 -0400
The DGV carburetor has a number of things going for it.
First, it's a dime a dozen.  This carburetor was installed on virtually every 
four cylinder engine at some point
in history.  It's probably the most common carburetor to be found in the junk 
yards.
Second, it's delightfully tunable.  The combination of jets and such make this 
carburetor flexible like virtually
no other.
Third, it's a progressive.  This means you can set the primary up for economy, 
and the secondary up for 
power, and get the best of both worlds, at least in theory.
Fourth, nothing moves, so nothing goes out of whack.  Once you've got it set 
up, it stays set up.

For some reason, this carburetor has gotten a bad rap around Triumph groups, 
and I don't know why.  It's
a common hop up carburetor for many vehicles equipped with Hitachi's and such.  
If you look at hot rodding
japanese and american 4 cylinders, this the the numero uno carburetor.  Why?  
Because it works.

The manifold design isn't bad.  Even those with the dog leg that lowers the 
carburetor.  In fact, it flows
quite well, having only one "bad" area, that under the carburetor throats 
forming the plenum.  Those long
sweeping curves are quite good for flow.  Manifolds of this design are the 
replacement type for straight
legged manifolds like those used on stock 2.3 Fords and such.  Straight runners 
form kinks where they
meet the head, and kinks are bad for flow.

There are some problems though.  Some can be overcome, some cannot.  

First, there is an inherent fuel distribution imbalance by the positioning of 
the carburetor throats on the
manifold.  Those runners nearer the primary will get richer mixtures at low 
loads.  At high loads, the 
runners under the secondary throat get richer mixtures.  Edelbrock and others 
worked on this extensively
for Ford four cylinders, playing with different types of ribs and wyres to help 
distribute the gasoline.  
Very small wyres worked best as I recall.

Second problem has to do with the firing order of the engine.  This causes 
problems for SU's as well.
At each end of the engine one cylinder fires, then the other, then there's a 
pause.  In musical terms,
it's two quarter notes followed by a half note rest.  This means the first 
cylinder draws air in with
no existing carburetor signal, so it gets less flow and a leaner mixture.  The 
second cylinder draws
in a richer mixture and breaths better because of the  signal the first 
cylinder created.  SU manifolds 
really have a problem with this because of the balance port (screws up the 
first cylinder on each end 
by restricting air flow), as well their extremely short runner length.  For a 
street driven car this amounts 
to only the loss of a little power.  It's only on racing engines living at the 
extreme edge that it becomes 
a matter of life and death, quite literally for the engine.

SU carburetors eclipse the DGV on their flow and power potential.  But (always 
a but), it takes 
constant attention to keep them there, if you can get them there in the first 
place.  The Weber
works reasonably well out of the box, and quite well with some tuning.  Then 
you can forget it 
and leave it alone for the rest of the cars life.

I suppose it I was to assign classroom grades to these two fuel systems I'd do 
it thusly:
Tunability and Performance
Weber DGV = C+
SU = B

Ease of use and Reliability
Weber DGV = B+
SU = D




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