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Re: Oil coolers and rocker feeders

To: Edward Hamilton <hamilton@ptd.net>
Subject: Re: Oil coolers and rocker feeders
From: Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx@q1.net>
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 11:46:21 -0400
ed, don't want you to fell short changed.  if the block passages from cam to
rocker pedestal are clean, the rocker shaft passage is clear and the clearance
between the cam and the block is correct, the oiler is not needed on a street
aplication.  the cam acts as an oil pump. if the clearance between shaft and
block is too great, there will not be sufficient pressure to move the oil up to
the rocker.  along with this, the oil passages in the block can become
restricted with dirt, etc.the only true cure is to have the block boiled which
wil clean all passages and destroys even metal particels - see comment on
cleaning oil coolers - then have clearances checked and good careful
reassembley.  we do some things to the spit engines on rebuild such as pinning
the thrust washers and other goodies. the external oil line will work in a race
engine where you need to be assured of keeping the valve train well lubed.
external oilers have been known to contribute to excess oil consumption. ted

Edward Hamilton wrote:

> Ted,
> You short changed us by $0.01.  Where is your opinion concerning the rocker
> feed line?
>
> Ed Hamilton
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx@q1.net>
> To: Terry L. Thompson <tlt@digex.net>
> Cc: wizardz <wizardz@maxinter.net>; <spitfires@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: Oil coolers and rocker feeders
>
> >
> > ok, here's my $.02 worh.  first on the coolers.  a cooler  used to
> compensate
> > for an internal engine problem or a cooling system problem is not
> beneficial,
> > it's a bandaid.  if all systems are good and you really have a high oil
> temp
> > (drive the car hard for a few miles and immediately pull the filter and
> stick a
> > thermometer into the filter for oil temp) install a cooler.  we sell
> coolers and
> > lines but do not sell a pre-plumbed "kit"  the kit forces you to put the
> cooler
> > where somebody else deciced it needed to be.  also we caustion against
> using the
> > "sandwich" type cooler take-off that fits between the block adn the
> filter. this
> > puts the filter too close to the suspension upright and forces you to use
> a
> > small filter.  a 10 row cooler is more than adequate for a street driven
> car
> > even with perfomrance engine mods.  DO NOT BUY A USED OIL COOLER!!!!!
> since it
> > is not possible to clean out a cooler completely - it's aluminum and
> cannot be
> > "boiled" as you would boil a cast iron block - if the cooler had ever been
> on an
> > engine that had a blowup (bad rod bearing, broken piston, etc) the
> particles are
> > resting in the bottom of the cooler.  the oil flow carries these particles
> in
> > suspension. when the engine was shut down, the particles fall to the
> bottom of
> > the cooler.  rebuild the engine, start up and presto, the oil picks up the
> > particles adn there goes the engine. remeber you are working with bearing
> > clearances in the .0015" to .002" category. one .003" particle of aluminum
> will
> > wipe out a bearing.
> > early spits had a "windage tray stock. this was a piece of fine screen for
> lack
> > of a better description that filled the area over the deep portion of the
> pan.
> > windage trays keep the oil from splashing up so the throws of the
> crankshaft
> > will go through these sprays of oil this robs power. example, for $16 you
> can
> > buy a windage tray for a big block dodge. installation gives 12 hp
> increase on a
> > dyno just because the crank does not encounter the drag of fighting its
> way
> > through the oil spray. remeber, the engine becomes an air pum in the oil
> pan
> > from the force of the pistons moving down and pushing a volume of air into
> the
> > pan.  very similar to being is a subway statiion andyou can feel the air
> > arriving before you see the train.  ted
> >
> > Terry L. Thompson wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not using an rocker oil feed kit, but...
> > >
> > > I've heard from a couple of people that rocker-oil feed pipes tend to
> > > rob oil from the areas that rely on it's lubrication even more...the
> > > main bearings. And have another bad quality of making the oil even
> > > more foamy than it already is from the oil pump (it aerates the oil
> > > even more).
> > >
> > > I was watching hot-rod magazine when they put a sump pan on that had a
> > > tray that from my recollection had a mesh to it (like a siv) that
> supposedly
> > > kept aeration in the oil to a minimum.
> > >
> > > Would something like that work on a spitfire oil pan? One of the
> performance
> > > upgrades was to increase the depth of the oil pan and put in a "curved"
> oil
> > > pump. I've wondered if that would give room for such an item. (Ted?)
> > >
> > > -Terry
> > >
> > > At 08:46 AM 9/22/99 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > >Seriously people....  on your Spitfires
> > > >
> > > >how many of you are actually running an oil cooler?
> > > >(Y)es     (N)o
> > > >how many of you are actually running an exterior rocker oil feed pipe?
> > > >(Y)es     (N)o
> > > >
> > > >Paul Tegler
> > > >1973 BGT - Daily Driver
> > > >Rat - 1980 Spitfire  w/  O/D - in re-hab
> > > >Punkin' - 1978 Spitfire - in Superb Shape!
> > > >email: wizardz@toad.net        http://www.teglerizer.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >




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