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Thanks to all who responded. The heat gun did the trick!
On Sat, Apr 18, 2026 at 5:48=E2=80=AFAM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.co=
m> wrote:
> Is that painted or bare metal? I don't recall having to remove an item
> fastened with red (I'm a blue man, mostly), but in either case, I'd take=
a
> heat gun and apply heat equivalent to full sun in Arizona and see if that
> would loosen it up. Couldn't hurt, since the car should be built for tha=
t
> kind of warmth.
>
> I wonder if some let-go spray like Kroil or PB Blaster would be
> effective? Especially if it was already warm? Anything that wouldn't
> harm the finish.
>
> Good luck!
>
> -- Jeff
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2026, 22:10 Philip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I figured that changing the side mirrors on the Birkin would be a walk i=
n
>> the park. The mirrors that came to me with this car are flat. The left
>> one is wonky, and a DPO tried to fix that with an airplane clamp. That
>> does not work.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Got new mirrors. Convex. Look good. Mounting method looks identical.
>> I rolled back the big locknut. Now all I have to do is grab onto the
>> mirror strut and rotate it out. No go. I took a closer look:
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/55213872895/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I see red. I fear that some DPO has used Red LocTite on this mirror
>> stem. WHY? There is a massive locknut on this (much-more substantial
>> stuff than on my Caterham). I can't believe it would rattle loose
>> untreated, much less rattle loose with Blue LocTite.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Just for laughs, I check the right mirror. No, that one is not coming
>> off either.
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, so if it is red LocTite, there is no way it is coming out without
>> heat. So how much heat do I need? Will a serious heat gun do the job?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have already wrestled off the wind deflectors, since they certainly
>> will not survive any heat in the area.
>>
>>
>>
>> Should I not try heat here? Plan B would be to declare the removal
>> impossible,
>>
>>
>>
>> crack the nut and Dremel the part that didn't fracture
>>
>>
>>
>> saw the mirror stem off leaving the threaded stub sticking out of the
>> windshield frame
>>
>>
>>
>> find or make coupling nuts and screw the new mirrors into those
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA
>> 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white
>> 2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white
>> 2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin turbo, white
>> 1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white
>> 2003? Birkin, green
>> www.mnautox.com
>>
>
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font color=3D"#001839" face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><u><br></u></f=
ont></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace=
">Thanks to all who responded.=C2=A0 The heat gun did the=C2=A0trick!</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div=
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div><br=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Apr 18, 2026 at 5:48=E2=80=AFAM Jeff Scarbro=
ugh <<a href=3D"mailto:fishplate@gmail.com";>fishplate@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"auto">Is that painted or bare metal?=C2=A0 I don't recall having to=
remove an item fastened with red (I'm a blue man, mostly),=C2=A0 but i=
n either case, I'd take a heat gun and apply heat equivalent to full su=
n in Arizona and see if that would loosen it up.=C2=A0 Couldn't hurt, s=
ince the car should be built for that kind of warmth.<div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto">I wonder if some let-go spray like Kroil or PB Blas=
ter would be effective?=C2=A0 Especially if it was already warm?=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0Anything that wouldn't harm the finish.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Good luck!</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">-- Jeff</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 17, 2026, 22:10 Philip Ethie=
r <<a href=3D"mailto:pethier7@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">pethier7@gmai=
l.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:=
1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4">I figured that changing the side m=
irrors on the Birkin would be a walk in the park.=C2=A0 The mirrors that ca=
me to me with this car are flat.=C2=A0 The left one is wonky, and a DPO tri=
ed to fix that with an airplane clamp.=C2=A0 That does not work.</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;min-=
height:14px"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><br></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;min-=
height:14px"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><br></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4">Got new mirrors.=C2=A0 Convex.=C2=
=A0 Look good.=C2=A0 Mounting method looks identical.=C2=A0 I rolled back t=
he big locknut.=C2=A0 Now all I have to do is grab onto the mirror strut an=
d rotate it out.=C2=A0 No go.=C2=A0 I took a closer look:</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;min-=
height:14px"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><br></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/=
photos/pethier/55213872895/in/photostream/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_b=
lank">https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/55213872895/in/photostream/</a>=
</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;min-=
height:14px"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><br></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4">I see red.=C2=A0 I fear that some =
DPO has used Red LocTite on this mirror stem.=C2=A0 WHY?=C2=A0 There is a m=
assive locknut on this (much-more substantial stuff than on my Caterham).=
=C2=A0 I can't believe it would rattle loose untreated, much less rattl=
e loose with Blue LocTite.</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;min-=
height:14px"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><br></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;min-=
height:14px"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><br></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">Just for laughs, I check the right mirror.=C2=A0 No, th=
at one is not coming off either.</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">OK, so if it is red LocTite, there is no way it is comi=
ng out without heat.=C2=A0 So how much heat do I need?=C2=A0 Will a serious=
heat gun do the job?=C2=A0=C2=A0</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">I have already wrestled off the wind deflectors, since =
they certainly will not survive any heat in the area.</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">Should I not try heat here?=C2=A0 Plan B would be to de=
clare the removal impossible,</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">crack the nut and Dremel the part that didn't fract=
ure=C2=A0</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">saw the mirror stem off leaving the threaded stub stick=
ing out of the windshield frame</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">find or make coupling nuts and screw the new mirrors in=
to those</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"></font></p></div><div><font face=
=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><br></font></div><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4"><span class=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br></=
font><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,=
0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" si=
ze=3D"4">Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA</font></span></d=
iv><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" s=
ize=3D"4">2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white</font></span></div>=
<div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4">2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white</font><=
/span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,2=
55,255)"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4">2021 Ford F-150 3500cc=
twin turbo, white</font></span></div><div><span style=3D"background-color:=
rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4">1991 Caterham=
1700 Super Sprint, not white</font></span></div><div><span style=3D"backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><s=
pan class=3D"gmail_default">2003? Birkin, green</span><br><a href=3D"http:/=
/www.mnautox.com/" style=3D"color:rgb(0,24,57)" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">www.mnautox.com</a></font></span></div></div></div></div></div>=
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