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from [Douglas Shook] [Permanent Link][Original]
To: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] red LocTite: How much heat do you need to disassemble parts
From: Douglas Shook <dirtbeard@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2026 05:11:40 -0700
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Hi Phil,

I have had success breaking red Loctite loose without using heat by
applying high levels of steady torque over an extended period of time. In
my experience, it eventually lets go, possibly due to material fatigue.

This might be worth a try before you move on to your Plan B.

Best regards,

Douglas Shook

On Sat, Apr 18, 2026 at 4:07=E2=80=AFAM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.co=
m> wrote:

> Is that painted or bare metal?  I don't recall having to remove an item
> fastened with red (I'm a blue man, mostly),  but in either case, I'd take=
 a
> heat gun and apply heat equivalent to full sun in Arizona and see if that
> would loosen it up.  Couldn't hurt, since the car should be built for tha=
t
> kind of warmth.
>
> I wonder if some let-go spray like Kroil or PB Blaster would be
> effective?  Especially if it was already warm?   Anything that wouldn't
> harm the finish.
>
> Good luck!
>
> -- Jeff
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2026, 22:10 Philip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I figured that changing the side mirrors on the Birkin would be a walk i=
n
>> the park.  The mirrors that came to me with this car are flat.  The left
>> one is wonky, and a DPO tried to fix that with an airplane clamp.  That
>> does not work.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Got new mirrors.  Convex.  Look good.  Mounting method looks identical.
>> I rolled back the big locknut.  Now all I have to do is grab onto the
>> mirror strut and rotate it out.  No go.  I took a closer look:
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/55213872895/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I see red.  I fear that some DPO has used Red LocTite on this mirror
>> stem.  WHY?  There is a massive locknut on this (much-more substantial
>> stuff than on my Caterham).  I can't believe it would rattle loose
>> untreated, much less rattle loose with Blue LocTite.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Just for laughs, I check the right mirror.  No, that one is not coming
>> off either.
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, so if it is red LocTite, there is no way it is coming out without
>> heat.  So how much heat do I need?  Will a serious heat gun do the job?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have already wrestled off the wind deflectors, since they certainly
>> will not survive any heat in the area.
>>
>>
>>
>> Should I not try heat here?  Plan B would be to declare the removal
>> impossible,
>>
>>
>>
>> crack the nut and Dremel the part that didn't fracture
>>
>>
>>
>> saw the mirror stem off leaving the threaded stub sticking out of the
>> windshield frame
>>
>>
>>
>> find or make coupling nuts and screw the new mirrors into those
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA
>> 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white
>> 2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white
>> 2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin turbo, white
>> 1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white
>> 2003? Birkin, green
>> www.mnautox.com
>>
>> <http://www.mnautox.com/>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-size:small">Hi Phil,</div><div style=3D=
"font-size:small"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:small">I have had succe=
ss breaking red Loctite loose without using heat by applying high levels of=
 steady torque over an extended period of time. In my experience, it eventu=
ally lets go, possibly due to material fatigue.</div><div style=3D"font-siz=
e:small"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:small">This might be worth a try=
 before you move on to your Plan B.</div><div style=3D"font-size:small"><br=
></div><div style=3D"font-size:small">Best regards,</div><div style=3D"font=
-size:small"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:small">Douglas Shook</div></=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Apr 18, 2026 at 4:07=E2=80=AFAM Jeff Scarbrough=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fishplate@gmail.com";>fishplate@gmail.com</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"=
auto">Is that painted or bare metal?=C2=A0 I don&#39;t recall having to rem=
ove an item fastened with red (I&#39;m a blue man, mostly),=C2=A0 but in ei=
ther case, I&#39;d take a heat gun and apply heat equivalent to full sun in=
 Arizona and see if that would loosen it up.=C2=A0 Couldn&#39;t hurt, since=
 the car should be built for that kind of warmth.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"auto">I wonder if some let-go spray like Kroil or PB Blaster =
would be effective?=C2=A0 Especially if it was already warm?=C2=A0 =C2=A0An=
ything that wouldn&#39;t harm the finish.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Good luck!</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"auto">-- Jeff</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 17, 2026, 22:10 Philip Ethier &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:pethier7@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">pethier7@gmail.com=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>





<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4">I figured that changing the side m=
irrors on the Birkin would be a walk in the park.=C2=A0 The mirrors that ca=
me to me with this car are flat.=C2=A0 The left one is wonky, and a DPO tri=
ed to fix that with an airplane clamp.=C2=A0 That does not work.</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;min-=
height:14px"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><br></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;min-=
height:14px"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><br></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4">Got new mirrors.=C2=A0 Convex.=C2=
=A0 Look good.=C2=A0 Mounting method looks identical.=C2=A0 I rolled back t=
he big locknut.=C2=A0 Now all I have to do is grab onto the mirror strut an=
d rotate it out.=C2=A0 No go.=C2=A0 I took a closer look:</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;min-=
height:14px"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><br></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/=
photos/pethier/55213872895/in/photostream/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_b=
lank">https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/55213872895/in/photostream/</a>=
</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;min-=
height:14px"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><br></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4">I see red.=C2=A0 I fear that some =
DPO has used Red LocTite on this mirror stem.=C2=A0 WHY?=C2=A0 There is a m=
assive locknut on this (much-more substantial stuff than on my Caterham).=
=C2=A0 I can&#39;t believe it would rattle loose untreated, much less rattl=
e loose with Blue LocTite.</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;min-=
height:14px"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><br></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;min-=
height:14px"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><br></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">Just for laughs, I check the right mirror.=C2=A0 No, th=
at one is not coming off either.</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">OK, so if it is red LocTite, there is no way it is comi=
ng out without heat.=C2=A0 So how much heat do I need?=C2=A0 Will a serious=
 heat gun do the job?=C2=A0=C2=A0</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">I have already wrestled off the wind deflectors, since =
they certainly will not survive any heat in the area.</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">Should I not try heat here?=C2=A0 Plan B would be to de=
clare the removal impossible,</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">crack the nut and Dremel the part that didn&#39;t fract=
ure=C2=A0</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">saw the mirror stem off leaving the threaded stub stick=
ing out of the windshield frame</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">find or make coupling nuts and screw the new mirrors in=
to those</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;colo=
r:rgb(40,46,50)"><span style=3D"font-kerning:none"><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:au=
to;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"></font></p></div><div><font face=
=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><br></font></div><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif" size=3D"4"><span class=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br></=
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0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" si=
ze=3D"4">Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA</font></span></d=
iv><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" s=
ize=3D"4">2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white</font></span></div>=
<div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4">2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white</font><=
/span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,2=
55,255)"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4">2021 Ford F-150 3500cc=
 twin turbo, white</font></span></div><div><span style=3D"background-color:=
rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4">1991 Caterham=
 1700 Super Sprint, not white</font></span></div><div><span style=3D"backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><s=
pan class=3D"gmail_default">2003? Birkin, green</span><br><a href=3D"http:/=
/www.mnautox.com/" style=3D"color:rgb(0,24,57)" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">www.mnautox.com</a></font></span></div><div><span style=3D"back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><a href=3D"http://www.mnautox.com/"; style=3D=
"color:rgb(0,24,57)" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"><font face=3D"ari=
al, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><br></font></a></span><br></div></div></div></di=
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