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I thought I had it figured out, but what's the difference in designation
between older tubes with 2 small prongs on one end, and the newer style
with one fat prong? It seems they're both called 'TX,' with 'X' being 8,
12, etc.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074M8KCJ1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
vs.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074MC1FW3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1
On 1/11/2022 4:57 AM, old dirtbeard wrote:
> The primary advantage of converting an existing fluorescent fixture to
> LED is that it is already there, wired, has the sockets, etc.
>
> I converted all of the 8' fluorescent lights in my garage years ago
> from magnetic ballast to electronic ballast and it was a good
> investment for me at the time (used less power, lights started faster,
> there was less flicker, less noise, worked better in the cold, erc.).
>
> A couple years ago I converted all of them again to LED bulbs by just
> removing the electronic ballasts and inserting 8' LED bulbs for all
> the reasons previously stated. I gave all of the electronic ballasts
> to a friend who was still using fluorescent 8' tubes with magnetic
> ballasts. These are the bulbs I used and I am completely satisfied
> with them:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074MC1FW3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074MC1FW3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1>
>
> You do not need to remove the ballast, just wire the sockets directly
> to the 110VAC lines. It could not be easier.
>
> Here are 4' LED bulbs that I used for some other locations around the
> house in the existing fluorescent sockets for the same reasons:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074M8KCJ1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074M8KCJ1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1>
>
> Again, the primary reason for using the replacement LEDs is that you
> only have to change the bulbs and bypass the ballast. It is really
> easy to do and the technology is the same. You are just reusing the
> existing mounts.
>
> If I were starting fresh, from scratch, yes, I would just use the
> direct mount LEDs that Mark is advocating. There is no need for the
> reflectors as the LED lights do not emit 360 degree light, they can be
> purchased in 90 degree or 120 degree spread if you desire.
>
> best,
> doug
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 9:42 PM Mark Andy <marka@maracing.com> wrote:
>
>
> Howdy,
>
> They come with clips that you can screw to the ceiling. There's
> no fixture. I don't know that a fixture would help in any event,
> since the LEDs are all surface mounted, so they wouldn't throw
> light up toward the ceiling in any event.
>
> You all should do whatever you like, but after using both these as
> well as fluorescents, there's no way I would use a fluorescent
> fixture. I might compare other LED solutions, but if they cost
> significantly more than these, I wouldn't bother. I've been
> nothing but impressed / happy with them.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 7:14 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> A quick glance doesn't show how they're mounted; anyone know?
> Seems like you'd still want a fixture to reflect light.
>
>
> On 1/10/2022 1:42 PM, Mark Andy wrote:
>> Howdy,
>>
>> If I were doing this, I would pretty much just throw away the
>> existing stuff and put up these:
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Barrina-8500LM-Daylight-Output-Linkable/dp/B07RKZFD5Z/ref=sr_1_2_sspa
>>
>> I have a shop that was built around 7 years ago and stuff
>> like this wasn't available at this cost, so I went with 4
>> tube fluorescent fixtures. They've been "fine", but when I
>> redid our daily driver parking garage last year I used the
>> Barrina lights. Super easy, nice bright light, and pretty
>> cheap. Absolutely no question that's what I'd do if I were
>> redoing the shop / what I will do when the time comes when
>> the existing fluorescents die.
>>
>> YMMV.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 3:08 PM Bob Spidell
>> <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Since I was already 'LED curious,' I did a bit of research:
>>
>> - there are some LED tubes that require a ballast* ('Type A')
>> - there are some LED tubes that require bypassing of the
>> ballast ('Type B')
>> - there are some LED tubes that work with ballast or
>> without/bypassing, with some rewiring* ('Type A+B')
>>
>>
>> If you want the least (initial) hassle, and have 'fresh'
>> ballasts--they all fail, eventually--you can plug and
>> play the 'A+B' type with a ballast then, when the ballast
>> fails you can bypass it, which requires some rewiring
>> (apparently, you can leave the dead ballast in place).
>>
>>
>> * Need to check compatibility between tube and ballast.
>>
>>
>> On 1/10/2022 10:48 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote:
>>> I used the Feit replacement LED tubes, it sounds like
>>> they are similar. Here are the instructions for the
>>> Feit, maybe that will help?
>>>
>>> https://www.feit.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/T4815_850_AB_LED_10_MANUAL_051019.pdf
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Ian
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 12:12 PM john niolon
>>> <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Couple of years ago I bought a box of Utilitech
>>> t81636f16-40...4' led tubes...redid all my shop
>>> lights and was pleased with them
>>> now I want to add some fixtures in another part of
>>> shop and my memory has failed... I know I had to
>>> rewire fixtures to make them work
>>> but can remember what I did and instruction sheet is
>>> long gone or lost...
>>> Utilititech was a Lowes brand and now discontinued
>>> and Utilitech web site is a joke   anyone tell me
>>> how to wire these bulbs up either with or
>>> without ballast..,....seems I remember they were non
>>> shunted bulbs...but now sure
>>> thanks
>>> john
>>>
>>
>>
>
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I thought I had it figured out, but what's the difference in
designation between older tubes with 2 small prongs on one end, and
the newer style with one fat prong? It seems they're both called
'TX,' with 'X' being 8, 12, etc.<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074M8KCJ1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1";>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074M8KCJ1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1</a><br>
<br>
vs.<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074MC1FW3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1";>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074MC1FW3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/11/2022 4:57 AM, old dirtbeard
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAG1pxgY60rTyO6eEuVmpq-FPgP=JYDum7=6yEjfLtu-qrNG7hA@mail.gmail.com">
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<div dir="ltr">The primary advantage of converting an existing
fluorescent fixture to LED is that it is already there, wired,
has the sockets, etc.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I converted all of the 8' fluorescent lights in my garage
years ago from magnetic ballast to electronic ballast and it
was a good investment for me at the time (used less power,
lights started faster, there was less flicker, less noise,
worked better in the cold, erc.).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A couple years ago I converted all of them again to LED
bulbs by just removing the electronic ballasts and inserting
8' LED bulbs for all the reasons previously stated. I gave all
of the electronic ballasts to a friend who was still using
fluorescent 8' tubes with magnetic ballasts. These are the
bulbs I used and I am completely satisfied with them:</div>
<div><a
href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074MC1FW3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1";
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074MC1FW3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You do not need to remove the ballast, just wire the
sockets directly to the 110VAC lines. It could not be easier.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Here are 4' LED bulbs that I used for some other locations
around the house in the existing fluorescent sockets for the
same reasons:</div>
<div><a
href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074M8KCJ1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1";
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074M8KCJ1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Again, the primary reason for using the replacement LEDs is
that you only have to change the bulbs and bypass the ballast.
It is really easy to do and the technology is the same. You
are just reusing the existing mounts.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If I were starting fresh, from scratch, yes, I would just
use the direct mount LEDs that Mark is advocating. There is no
need for the reflectors as the LED lights do not emit 360
degree light, they can be purchased in 90 degree or 120 degree
spread if you desire.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>best,</div>
<div>doug</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 9:42
PM Mark Andy <<a href="mailto:marka@maracing.com";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">marka@maracing.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr"><br>
Howdy,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>They come with clips that you can screw to the
ceiling. There's no fixture. I don't know that a
fixture would help in any event, since the LEDs are all
surface mounted, so they wouldn't throw light up toward
the ceiling in any event.<br>
<br>
You all should do whatever you like, but after using
both these as well as fluorescents, there's no way I
would use a fluorescent fixture. I might compare other
LED solutions, but if they cost significantly more than
these, I wouldn't bother. I've been nothing but
impressed / happy with them.</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
Mark
<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 10, 2022
at 7:14 PM Bob Spidell <<a
href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bspidell@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div> A quick glance doesn't show how they're mounted;
anyone know? Seems like you'd still want a fixture
to reflect light.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 1/10/2022 1:42 PM, Mark Andy wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Howdy,<br>
<br>
If I were doing this, I would pretty much just
throw away the existing stuff and put up these:<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://www.amazon.com/Barrina-8500LM-Daylight-Output-Linkable/dp/B07RKZFD5Z/ref=sr_1_2_sspa";
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.amazon.com/Barrina-8500LM-Daylight-Output-Linkable/dp/B07RKZFD5Z/ref=sr_1_2_sspa</a><br>
<br>
I have a shop that was built around 7 years ago
and stuff like this wasn't available at this
cost, so I went with 4 tube
fluorescent fixtures. They've been "fine", but
when I redid our daily driver parking garage
last year I used the Barrina lights. Super
easy, nice bright light, and pretty cheap.Â
Absolutely no question that's what I'd do if I
were redoing the shop / what I will do when
the time comes when the existing fluorescents
die.<br>
<br>
YMMV.<br>
<br>
Mark</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan
10, 2022 at 3:08 PM Bob Spidell <<a
href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bspidell@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div> Since I was already 'LED curious,' I did
a bit of research:<br>
<br>
- there are some LED tubes that require a
ballast* ('Type A')<br>
- there are some LED tubes that require
bypassing of the ballast ('Type B')<br>
- there are some LED tubes that work with
ballast or without/bypassing, with some
rewiring* ('Type A+B')<br>
<br>
<br>
If you want the least (initial) hassle, and
have 'fresh' ballasts--they all fail,
eventually--you can plug and play the 'A+B'
type with a ballast then, when the ballast
fails you can bypass it, which requires some
rewiring (apparently, you can leave the dead
ballast in place). <br>
<br>
<br>
* Need to check compatibility between tube
and ballast.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 1/10/2022 10:48 AM, Ian McFetridge
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">I used the Feit replacement
LED tubes, it sounds like they are
similar. Here are the instructions for
the Feit, maybe that will help?<br>
<a
href="https://www.feit.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/T4815_850_AB_LED_10_MANUAL_051019.pdf";
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.feit.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/T4815_850_AB_LED_10_MANUAL_051019.pdf</a><br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,<br>
</div>
<div>Ian</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 12:12 PM john
niolon <<a
href="mailto:jniolon@att.net";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jniolon@att.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div><font face="Segoe UI">Couple of
years ago I bought a box of
Utilitech t81636f16-40...4' led
tubes...redid all my shop lights
and was pleased with them</font></div>
<div>Â </div>
<div><font face="Segoe UI">now I
want to add some fixtures in
another part of shop and my
memory has failed... I know I
had to rewire fixtures to make
them work</font></div>
<div><font face="Segoe UI">but can
remember what I did and
instruction sheet is long gone
or lost...</font></div>
<div>Â </div>
<div><font face="Segoe UI">Utilititech
was a Lowes brand and now
discontinued and Utilitech web
site is a joke   anyone tell me
how to wire these bulbs up
either with or</font></div>
<div><font face="Segoe UI">without
ballast..,....seems I remember
they were non shunted
bulbs...but now sure</font></div>
<div>Â </div>
<div><font face="Segoe
UI">thanks</font></div>
<div><font face="Segoe UI">john</font></div>
</div>
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