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The primary advantage of converting an existing fluorescent fixture to LED
is that it is already there, wired, has the sockets, etc.
I converted all of the 8' fluorescent lights in my garage years ago from
magnetic ballast to electronic ballast and it was a good investment for me
at the time (used less power, lights started faster, there was less
flicker, less noise, worked better in the cold, erc.).
A couple years ago I converted all of them again to LED bulbs by just
removing the electronic ballasts and inserting 8' LED bulbs for all the
reasons previously stated. I gave all of the electronic ballasts to a
friend who was still using fluorescent 8' tubes with magnetic ballasts.
These are the bulbs I used and I am completely satisfied with them:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074MC1FW3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1
You do not need to remove the ballast, just wire the sockets directly to
the 110VAC lines. It could not be easier.
Here are 4' LED bulbs that I used for some other locations around the house
in the existing fluorescent sockets for the same reasons:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074M8KCJ1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Again, the primary reason for using the replacement LEDs is that you only
have to change the bulbs and bypass the ballast. It is really easy to do
and the technology is the same. You are just reusing the existing mounts.
If I were starting fresh, from scratch, yes, I would just use the direct
mount LEDs that Mark is advocating. There is no need for the reflectors as
the LED lights do not emit 360 degree light, they can be purchased in 90
degree or 120 degree spread if you desire.
best,
doug
On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 9:42 PM Mark Andy <marka@maracing.com> wrote:
>
> Howdy,
>
> They come with clips that you can screw to the ceiling. There's no
> fixture. I don't know that a fixture would help in any event, since the
> LEDs are all surface mounted, so they wouldn't throw light up toward the
> ceiling in any event.
>
> You all should do whatever you like, but after using both these as well as
> fluorescents, there's no way I would use a fluorescent fixture. I might
> compare other LED solutions, but if they cost significantly more than
> these, I wouldn't bother. I've been nothing but impressed / happy with
> them.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 7:14 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> A quick glance doesn't show how they're mounted; anyone know? Seems like
>> you'd still want a fixture to reflect light.
>>
>>
>> On 1/10/2022 1:42 PM, Mark Andy wrote:
>>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> If I were doing this, I would pretty much just throw away the existing
>> stuff and put up these:
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Barrina-8500LM-Daylight-Output-Linkable/dp/B07RKZFD5Z/ref=sr_1_2_sspa
>>
>> I have a shop that was built around 7 years ago and stuff like this
>> wasn't available at this cost, so I went with 4 tube fluorescent fixtures.
>> They've been "fine", but when I redid our daily driver parking garage last
>> year I used the Barrina lights. Super easy, nice bright light, and pretty
>> cheap. Absolutely no question that's what I'd do if I were redoing the
>> shop / what I will do when the time comes when the existing fluorescents
>> die.
>>
>> YMMV.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 3:08 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Since I was already 'LED curious,' I did a bit of research:
>>>
>>> - there are some LED tubes that require a ballast* ('Type A')
>>> - there are some LED tubes that require bypassing of the ballast ('Type
>>> B')
>>> - there are some LED tubes that work with ballast or without/bypassing,
>>> with some rewiring* ('Type A+B')
>>>
>>>
>>> If you want the least (initial) hassle, and have 'fresh' ballasts--they
>>> all fail, eventually--you can plug and play the 'A+B' type with a ballast
>>> then, when the ballast fails you can bypass it, which requires some
>>> rewiring (apparently, you can leave the dead ballast in place).
>>>
>>>
>>> * Need to check compatibility between tube and ballast.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/10/2022 10:48 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote:
>>>
>>> I used the Feit replacement LED tubes, it sounds like they are similar.
>>> Here are the instructions for the Feit, maybe that will help?
>>>
>>> https://www.feit.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/T4815_850_AB_LED_10_MANUAL_051019.pdf
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Ian
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 12:12 PM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Couple of years ago I bought a box of Utilitech t81636f16-40...4' led
>>>> tubes...redid all my shop lights and was pleased with them
>>>>
>>>> now I want to add some fixtures in another part of shop and my memory
>>>> has failed... I know I had to rewire fixtures to make them work
>>>> but can remember what I did and instruction sheet is long gone or
>>>> lost...
>>>>
>>>> Utilititech was a Lowes brand and now discontinued and Utilitech web
>>>> site is a joke anyone tell me how to wire these bulbs up either with or
>>>> without ballast..,....seems I remember they were non shunted
>>>> bulbs...but now sure
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> john
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The primary advantage of converting an existing fluorescen=
t=C2=A0fixture to LED is that it is already there, wired, has the sockets, =
etc.<div><br></div><div>I converted all of the 8' fluorescent=C2=A0ligh=
ts in my garage years ago from magnetic ballast to electronic ballast and i=
t was a good investment for me at the=C2=A0time (used less power, lights st=
arted faster, there was less flicker, less noise, worked better in the cold=
, erc.).</div><div><br></div><div>A couple years ago I converted all of the=
m again to LED bulbs by just removing the electronic ballasts and inserting=
8' LED bulbs for all the reasons previously=C2=A0stated. I gave all of=
the electronic=C2=A0ballasts to a friend who was still using fluorescent=
=C2=A08' tubes with magnetic ballasts. These are the bulbs I used and I=
am completely satisfied with them:</div><div><a href=3D"https://www.amazon=
.com/gp/product/B074MC1FW3/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=3DUTF8&am=
p;psc=3D1">https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074MC1FW3/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_s=
earch_asin_image?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>You=
do not need to remove the ballast, just wire the sockets directly to the 1=
10VAC lines. It could not be easier.</div><div><br></div><div>Here are 4=
9; LED bulbs that I used for some other locations around the house in the e=
xisting fluorescent=C2=A0sockets for the same reasons:</div><div><a href=3D=
"https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074M8KCJ1/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin=
_title?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1">https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074M8KCJ1/=
ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1</a><br></div><div=
><br></div><div>Again, the primary reason for using the replacement LEDs is=
that you only have to change the bulbs and bypass the ballast. It is reall=
y easy to do and the technology is the same. You are just reusing the exist=
ing mounts.</div><div><br></div><div>If I were starting fresh, from scratch=
, yes, I would just use the direct mount LEDs that Mark is advocating. Ther=
e is no need for the reflectors as the LED lights do not emit 360 degree li=
ght, they can be purchased in 90 degree or 120 degree spread if you desire.=
</div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div>doug</div><div><br></div></div><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, =
Jan 10, 2022 at 9:42 PM Mark Andy <<a href=3D"mailto:marka@maracing.com"=
>marka@maracing.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>Howdy,<div><br></d=
iv><div>They come with clips that you can screw to the ceiling.=C2=A0 There=
's no fixture.=C2=A0 I don't know that a fixture would help in any =
event, since the LEDs are all surface mounted, so they wouldn't throw l=
ight up toward the ceiling in any event.<br><br>You all should do whatever =
you like, but after using both these as well as fluorescents, there's n=
o way I would use a fluorescent fixture.=C2=A0 I might compare other LED so=
lutions, but if they cost significantly more than these, I wouldn't bot=
her.=C2=A0 I've been nothing but impressed / happy with them.</div></di=
v><div><br></div>Mark<div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 7:14 PM Bob Spidell <<a href=
=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>=
> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
=20
=20
=20
<div>
A quick glance doesn't show how they're mounted; anyone know? S=
eems
like you'd still want a fixture to reflect light.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 1/10/2022 1:42 PM, Mark Andy wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,<br>
<br>
If I were doing this, I would pretty much just throw away the
existing stuff and put up these:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Barrina-8500LM-Daylight-Output-Li=
nkable/dp/B07RKZFD5Z/ref=3Dsr_1_2_sspa" target=3D"_blank">https://www.amazo=
n.com/Barrina-8500LM-Daylight-Output-Linkable/dp/B07RKZFD5Z/ref=3Dsr_1_2_ss=
pa</a><br>
<br>
I have a shop that was built around 7 years ago and stuff like
this wasn't available at this cost, so I went with 4 tube
fluorescent=C2=A0fixtures.=C2=A0 They've been "fine",=
but when I redid our
daily driver parking garage last year I used the Barrina
lights.=C2=A0 Super easy, nice bright light, and pretty cheap.=C2=
=A0
Absolutely no question that's what I'd do if I were redoing=
the
shop / what I will do when the=C2=A0time comes when the existing
fluorescents die.<br>
<br>
YMMV.<br>
<br>
Mark</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 3:08
PM Bob Spidell <<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div> Since I was already 'LED curious,' I did a bit of
research:<br>
<br>
- there are some LED tubes that require a ballast* ('Type
A')<br>
- there are some LED tubes that require bypassing of the
ballast ('Type B')<br>
- there are some LED tubes that work with ballast or
without/bypassing, with some rewiring* ('Type A+B')<br>
<br>
<br>
If you want the least (initial) hassle, and have 'fresh'=
;
ballasts--they all fail, eventually--you can plug and play
the 'A+B' type with a ballast then, when the ballast fa=
ils
you can bypass it, which requires some rewiring (apparently,
you can leave the dead ballast in place). <br>
<br>
<br>
* Need to check compatibility between tube and ballast.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 1/10/2022 10:48 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">I used the Feit replacement LED tubes, it
sounds like they are similar.=C2=A0 Here are the instructio=
ns
for the Feit, maybe that will help?<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.feit.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/=
T4815_850_AB_LED_10_MANUAL_051019.pdf" target=3D"_blank">https://www.feit.c=
om/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/T4815_850_AB_LED_10_MANUAL_051019.pdf</a><br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,<br>
</div>
<div>Ian</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 10, 2022
at 12:12 PM john niolon <<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@att=
.net" target=3D"_blank">jniolon@att.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Couple of years ago I
bought a box of Utilitech t81636f16-40...4' led
tubes...redid all my shop lights and was pleased
with them</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">now I want to add some
fixtures in another part of shop and my memory
has failed... I know I had to rewire fixtures to
make them work</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">but can remember what I
did and instruction sheet is long gone or
lost...</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Utilititech was a Lowes
brand and now discontinued and Utilitech web
site is a joke=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 anyone tell me how=
to wire
these bulbs up either with or</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">without
ballast..,....seems I remember they were non
shunted bulbs...but now sure</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
</div>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
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