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Common misconception. You have to remember that almost all props are
driven by either reciprocating engines (suck, squeeze, bang, blow) or
turbine engines (one long continious blow job).
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 6:51 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
> I dunno. I always heard that prop pilots were always cool. They screw
> their way across the country whereas jet pilots just suck and blow.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Innis <jdinnis@gmail.com>
> To: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
> Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, May 19, 2021 5:23 am
> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mower blade orientaaion relative to piston
>
> The whole propeller thing is really overstated. It is just there to keep
> the pilot cool. If the propeller stops turning, the pilot often begins
> sweating.
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 5:15 AM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Not to mention that there are two magnetos. You don't want your lawn
> mower quitting in mid-air.
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2021, 23:15 Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Magnetos still power the vast majority of small aircraft piston engines;
> they're a bit more complicated though. Mags in good nick will throw a
> really hot spark; they're always 'hot' and the only way to disable them
> is to ground the primary coil by a 'P lead.'
>
> On 5/18/2021 8:03 PM, Thomas Coradeschi wrote:
> > You=E2=80=99re almost certainly looking at a magneto ignition system in=
all of
> those small engines=E2=80=A6 Bog simple indeed!
> >
> > =E2=80=94
> > Tom Coradeschi
> > tjcora@icloud.com
> >
> >
> >> On 18 May 2021, at 10:53 PM, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> re: "... they are using iron mass of the blade as part of the
> inductance field to signal the position for coil firing ..."
> >>
> >> That was my guess, based on what they told me; the motor was otherwise
> in good shape (how I managed to get it back together still amazes me).
> IIRC, it was a Tecumseh 5HP engine. The name of the shop was 'Knife
> Stalkers.'
> >>
> >> I'm looking into possibly rebuilding a couple chainsaw motors, the coi=
l
> and 'points,' or whatever solid state switch they are using, are very
> simplistic. There may be a magnet in the crank gear to trigger the spark.=
I
> use Pertronix in several cars and, except for one they have a cap on the
> distributor cam with magnets to fire the electronic switch. Surprising to
> me, the one on my 4-cyl Austin-Healey doesn't use the cap, apparently the
> lobes on the distributor cam are sufficient to fire the Hall Effect senso=
r.
> >>
> >> bs
> >>
> >> On 5/18/2021 7:38 PM, old dirtbeard wrote:
> >>> Hi Bob,
> >>>
> >>> I believe you, of course, but I have never heard this before. I have
> a Craftsman 21" walk behind and I usually sharpen the blade and do
> maintenance this month, so I think I will see if the engine will fire wit=
h
> the blade removed for sharpening.
> >>>
> >>> For this to make sense to me, there would need to be some sensor on
> the blade, or they are using iron mass of the blade as part of the
> inductance field to signal the position for coil firing. The aluminum sum=
p
> of the motor protrudes through the steel deck of the mower, so I suppose =
it
> is possible. There is quite an air gap between the blade and the sump of
> the engine, however.
> >>>
> >>> You have me very curious and I will let you know if the mower will
> fire without the blade attached (if it does, I will not let it run as it =
is
> hard to predict what would happen without that flywheel attached to the
> crankshaft).
> >>>
> >>> best,
> >>>
> >>> doug
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 5:35 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>> Possibly of some interest: I had a Craftsman walk-behind that quit
> running suddenly. I tore the engine down, didn't find anything, then
> finally took it to a repair shop. They told me the blade had a crack in i=
t
> that caused the problem; supposedly the blade is part of a
> timing loop that fires the spark. Sort of makes sense if you think of the
> blade as a flywheel with a position sensor on it.
> >>>
> >>> Bob
> >>>
> >>> On 5/18/2021 2:55 PM, Brian and Wendy Warrick wrote:
> >>>> I run Snapper walk behind mowers and have never gave it a thought. I
> can't see why it would matter. If it did, they would have designed the
> adapter differently.
> >>>>
> >>>> Brian
> >>>> Nampa, ID
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Karl
> Vacek <stearman809@gmail.com>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 3:52 PM
> >>>> To: 'shop-talk@autox.team.net' <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> >>>> Subject: [Shop-talk] Mower blade orientaaion relative to piston
> >>>>
> >>>> Last time I sharpened my 21=E2=80=9D walk-behind mower blade I thoug=
ht of
> something that=E2=80=99s never occurred to me, after using the same brand=
of mower
> for 25 years..
> >>>>
> >>>> On a Snapper, the blade can actually go on any way onto the square
> adapter keyed to the crankshaft. The mounting point is square, no pins, =
no
> longer side, nothing.
> >>>>
> >>>> One way would be aligned with the cylinder at TDC/BDC, and the other
> way would be across. It=E2=80=99s been off many times and there=E2=80=99=
s no way to tell
> how it was mounted originally. The manual is silent on this.
> >>>>
> >>>> Power stroke shouldn=E2=80=99t matter, but maybe some dynamic issue =
one way
> or the other?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks!
> >>>> Karl
> >>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Common misconception.=C2=A0 You have to remember that almo=
st all props are driven by either reciprocating engines (suck, squeeze, ban=
g, blow) or turbine engines (one long continious blow job).=C2=A0 <br></div=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On We=
d, May 19, 2021 at 6:51 AM DAVID MASSEY <<a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@c=
s.com">dave1massey@cs.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<div> <font size=3D"3">I dunno.=C2=A0 I always heard that prop pilots were =
always cool.=C2=A0 They screw their way across the country whereas jet pilo=
ts just suck and blow.</font><br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font=
size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: John Innis <<a href=3D"mailto:jdinnis@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank"=
>jdinnis@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Jeff Scarbrough <<a href=3D"mailto:fishplate@gmail.com"; target=3D"_b=
lank">fishplate@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">shop-talk=
@autox.team.net</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">Shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>><br>
Sent: Wed, May 19, 2021 5:23 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mower blade orientaaion relative to piston<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-237604625577226252yiv3426673979">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">The whole propeller thing is really overstated.=C2=A0 It i=
s just there to keep the pilot cool.=C2=A0 If the propeller stops turning, =
the pilot often begins sweating. <br clear=3D"none"></div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-237604625577226252yiv3426673979yqtfd02560">
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 5:15 AM Jeff Scarbrough <<a rel=
=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fishplate@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">fishplate@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"=
none"></div>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-237604625577226252yiv3426673979yqtfd85478">
<div>Not to mention that there are two magnetos.=C2=A0 You don't want y=
our lawn mower quitting in mid-air.</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, May 18, 2021, 23:15 Bob Spidell <<a rel=3D"nofo=
llow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">=
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Magnetos still power the vast majority of small=
aircraft piston engines; <br clear=3D"none">
they're a bit more complicated though. Mags in good nick will throw a <=
br clear=3D"none">
really hot spark; they're always 'hot' and the only way to disa=
ble them <br clear=3D"none">
is to ground the primary coil by a 'P lead.'<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
On 5/18/2021 8:03 PM, Thomas Coradeschi wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
> You=E2=80=99re almost certainly looking at a magneto ignition system i=
n all of those small engines=E2=80=A6 Bog simple indeed!<br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
> =E2=80=94<br clear=3D"none">
> Tom Coradeschi<br clear=3D"none">
> <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:=
tjcora@icloud.com" target=3D"_blank">tjcora@icloud.com</a><br clear=3D"none=
">
><br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
>> On 18 May 2021, at 10:53 PM, Bob Spidell <<a rel=3D"nofollow no=
opener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
>><br clear=3D"none">
>> re: "... they are using iron mass of the blade as part of the=
inductance field to signal the position for coil firing ..."<br clear=
=3D"none">
>><br clear=3D"none">
>> That was my guess, based on what they told me; the motor was other=
wise in good shape (how I managed to get it back together still amazes me).=
IIRC, it was a Tecumseh 5HP engine. The name of the shop was 'Knife St=
alkers.'<br clear=3D"none">
>><br clear=3D"none">
>> I'm looking into possibly rebuilding a couple chainsaw motors,=
the coil and 'points,' or whatever solid state switch they are usi=
ng, are very simplistic. There may be a magnet in the crank gear to trigger=
the spark. I use Pertronix in several cars and, except for one they have a=
cap on the distributor cam with magnets to fire the electronic switch. Sur=
prising to me, the one on my 4-cyl Austin-Healey doesn't use the cap, a=
pparently the lobes on the distributor cam are sufficient to fire the Hall =
Effect sensor.<br clear=3D"none">
>><br clear=3D"none">
>> bs<br clear=3D"none">
>><br clear=3D"none">
>> On 5/18/2021 7:38 PM, old dirtbeard wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
>>> Hi Bob,<br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> I believe you, of course, but I have never heard this before.=
=C2=A0 I have a Craftsman 21" walk behind and I usually sharpen the bl=
ade and do maintenance this month, so I think I will see if the engine will=
fire with the blade removed for sharpening.<br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> For this to make sense to me, there would need to be some sens=
or on the blade, or they are using iron mass of the blade as part of the in=
ductance field to signal the position for coil firing. The aluminum sump of=
the motor protrudes through the steel deck of the mower, so I suppose it i=
s possible. There is quite an air gap between the blade and the sump of the=
engine, however.<br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> You have me very curious and I will let you know if the mower =
will fire without the blade attached (if it does, I will not let it run as =
it is hard to predict what would happen without that flywheel attached to t=
he crankshaft).<br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> best,<br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> doug<br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 5:35 PM Bob Spidell <<a rel=3D"nofo=
llow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
>>> Possibly of some interest: I had a Craftsman walk-behind that =
quit running suddenly. I tore the engine down, didn't find anything, th=
en finally took it to a repair shop. They told me the blade had a crack in =
it that caused the problem;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
supposedly the blade is part of a timing loop that fires the spark. Sort of=
makes sense if you think of the blade as a flywheel with a position sensor=
on it.<br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> Bob<br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> On 5/18/2021 2:55 PM, Brian and Wendy Warrick wrote:<br clear=
=3D"none">
>>>> I run Snapper walk behind mowers and have never gave it a =
thought. I can't see why it would matter. If it did, they would have de=
signed the adapter differently.<br clear=3D"none">
>>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>>> Brian<br clear=3D"none">
>>>> Nampa, ID<br clear=3D"none">
>>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>>> From: Shop-talk <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer=
" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
"_blank">shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of Karl Vacek &=
lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:st=
earman809@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">stearman809@gmail.com</a>><br cle=
ar=3D"none">
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 3:52 PM<br clear=3D"none">
>>>> To: '<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"=
rect" href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">shop-talk@=
autox.team.net</a>' <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">Shop-t=
alk@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">
>>>> Subject: [Shop-talk] Mower blade orientaaion relative to p=
iston<br clear=3D"none">
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
>>>> Last time I sharpened my 21=E2=80=9D walk-behind mower bla=
de I thought of something that=E2=80=99s never occurred to me, after using =
the same brand of mower for 25 years..<br clear=3D"none">
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
>>>> On a Snapper, the blade can actually go on any way onto th=
e square adapter keyed to the crankshaft.=C2=A0 The mounting point is squar=
e, no pins, no longer side, nothing.<br clear=3D"none">
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
>>>> One way would be aligned with the cylinder at TDC/BDC, and=
the other way would be across.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s been off many times and =
there=E2=80=99s no way to tell how it was mounted originally.=C2=A0 The man=
ual is silent on this.<br clear=3D"none">
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
>>>> Power stroke shouldn=E2=80=99t matter, but maybe some dyna=
mic issue one way or the other?<br clear=3D"none">
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
>>>> Thanks!<br clear=3D"none">
>>>> Karl<br clear=3D"none">
>>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> _______________________________________________<br clear=3D"no=
ne">
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