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Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf blower issues...need the elders' advice

To: Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf blower issues...need the elders' advice
From: John Innis <jdinnis@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 11:56:28 -0500
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Depends on which battery you get.  I have the 60v 9ah battery.  I can run
it for about 30mins (all I need to do) and it is still about 1/3 charge.
They make a 12ah battery if you need additional capacity, but it is VERY
expensive.  You can get two of the 9ah batteries for about the same price.
You'd have to swap but get more capacity for less money.

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:59 AM Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com>
wrote:

> What's the endurance of those battery blowers?  The driveway is probably
> 400 feet all in, plus maybe 1000 sq. ft. of parking pad in front of the
> garage.
>
> In the summers it's just grass clippings after mowing.  Right now, it can
> get at least a foot deep in leaves.
>
> (The lot is oddly-shaped and they put the house towards the back of it.)
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:39 AM Bill Rabel <brabel@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I bought a battery-powered leaf blower. It works great. The sound and
>> stink of a two-cycle blower drives me round the bend. Just sayin=E2=80=
=99.
>>
>> I=E2=80=99m a *cranky* elder...
>>
>> - Bill Rabel
>>   Anacortes
>>
>> "Prejudice is a great time saver. You can form opinions without having t=
o
>> get the facts.=E2=80=9D  - E.B. White
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> And to complete this one too:
>>
>> The leaf blower had bad compression. Either a worn ring, piston, or
>> cylinder. I didn't take it apart to find out which because Troy Bilt onl=
y
>> sells the piston and ring and not the cylinder--if the cylinder is worn,
>> it's garbage and the piston is only sold as part of a short
>> block--literally you pull the cylinder off the old one and everything el=
se
>> is new, apparently.
>>
>> I might take it apart this winter and see if it's the piston or ring--it
>> hurts my heart to just toss that much metal and plastic in the trash--bu=
t I
>> haven't looked to see if the specs are available online yet to even know
>> what they should be.
>>
>> The takeaway here for future searchers is NOT to buy Troy Bilt,
>> apparently. I tried to take it to shops locally to repair it. None of th=
em
>> would even look at it and every single one said to buy an Echo. So I'm o=
ff
>> to buy an Echo this morning. Also disappointed the parts aren't availabl=
e
>> and that it's so worn. On the one hand, I *did* get several years out of
>> it. On the other, it had its oil, filters, etc. changed regularly and it
>> wasn't used heavily.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:33 PM Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.co=
m>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Troy Bilt 4-cycle backpack leaf blower, the older version of
>>> this thing:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/leaf-blowers/tb4bp-ec-backpack-gas-leaf-=
blower/41BR4BEG766.html
>>>
>>>
>>> I need intelligent more experienced folks to advise me before I slip
>>> into insanity.
>>>
>>> The past year or so the choke has lost effectiveness--you used to start
>>> it as directed: pump the primer bulb a few times, choke on full. Start.
>>> Choke to 1/2 until warm, then choke full-off.
>>>
>>> At first it wouldn't start with choke full-on, I had to start it on
>>> half-choke. Then 1/4-ish.
>>>
>>> At the same time, the throttle became more of an an/off switch. It woul=
d
>>> bog at anything other than idle. If I open it full, it would die. And i=
t
>>> never achieved full-power.
>>>
>>> Note: the choke is an actual choke--a plastic plate slides over the air
>>> intake on the carb.
>>>
>>> This sounds like something that needs a carb cleanin', right? So I did.
>>> Took it apart, soaked it in carb cleaner, re-assembled.
>>>
>>> I also replaced the fuel intake line and fuel filter--a weird little
>>> thing, looks like a pumice stone on the end of the fuel line.
>>>
>>> Worked...better. Not back to new, but better. For a day.
>>>
>>> Now it won't start at all.
>>>
>>> There's just not that much to this carb. I blew it out with compressed
>>> air, chased the passages I could, etc. There's just not much there...th=
ere.
>>>
>>> What's making me question my sanity is that this happened on my riding
>>> mower last year too and I similarly cleaned that carb, which was simila=
rly
>>> simple and it absolutely would not run again until I just bought a new =
carb
>>> and replaced it.
>>>
>>>  So here's the question: what am I doing or not doing that I can't clea=
n
>>> a small engine carburetor? Is there some secret air passage on small en=
gine
>>> carbs that I'm not reaching? I tool them completely apart. There were n=
o
>>> idle jets, or enrichment circuits, or...whatever. Just a hunk of metal =
with
>>> a few small holes. What on earth would make the new one better than the=
 one
>>> that's on there?
>>>
>>> I feel like this should be so simple and I'm missing something so basic=
.
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Depends on which battery you get.=C2=A0 I have the 60v 9ah=
 battery.=C2=A0 I can run it for about 30mins (all I need to do) and it is =
still about 1/3 charge.=C2=A0 They make a 12ah battery if you need addition=
al capacity, but it is VERY expensive.=C2=A0 You can get two of the 9ah bat=
teries for about the same price.=C2=A0 You&#39;d have to swap but get more =
capacity for less money.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:59 AM Scott Hall &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:scott.hall.personal@gmail.com";>scott.hall.personal@gma=
il.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left=
:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">What&#39;s the endurance of those battery blowers?=
=C2=A0 The driveway is probably 400 feet all in, plus maybe 1000 sq. ft. of=
 parking pad in front of the garage.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">In the summers it&#39;s just grass clippings after mowin=
g.=C2=A0 Right now, it can get at least a foot deep in leaves.=C2=A0=C2=A0<=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">(The lot is oddly-shaped=
 and they put the house towards the back of it.)</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 24, 2020=
, 10:39 AM Bill Rabel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:brabel@comcast.net"; target=3D"_=
blank">brabel@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"background-color:=
rgb(255,255,255)">I bought a battery-powered leaf blower. It works great. T=
he sound and stink of a two-cycle blower drives me round the bend. Just say=
in=E2=80=99.</span><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><=
br></span></div><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I=E2=
=80=99m a <u>cranky</u> elder...<br></span><div><br></div><div>- Bill Rabel=
</div><div>=C2=A0 Anacortes</div><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><p><span style=3D"bac=
kground-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span>&quot;Prejudice is a great time sa=
ver. You can form opinions without having to get the facts</span><span>.=E2=
=80=9D =C2=A0</span></span><span style=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255,255=
,0);font-size:13pt">- E.B. White</span></p></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 24, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Scott Hall &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:scott.hall.personal@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"=
>scott.hall.personal@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">And to co=
mplete this one too:<div><br></div><div>The leaf blower had bad compression=
. Either a worn ring, piston, or cylinder. I didn&#39;t take it apart to fi=
nd out which because Troy Bilt only sells the piston and ring and not the c=
ylinder--if the cylinder is worn, it&#39;s garbage and the piston is only s=
old as part of a short block--literally you pull the cylinder off the old o=
ne and everything else is new, apparently.</div><div><br></div><div>I might=
 take it apart this winter and see if it&#39;s the piston or ring--it hurts=
 my heart to just toss that much metal and plastic in the trash--but I have=
n&#39;t looked to see if the specs are available online yet to even know wh=
at they should be.</div><div><br></div><div>The takeaway here for future se=
archers is NOT to buy Troy Bilt, apparently. I tried to take it to shops lo=
cally to repair it. None of them would even look at it and every single one=
 said to buy an Echo. So I&#39;m off to buy an Echo this morning. Also disa=
ppointed the parts aren&#39;t available and that it&#39;s so worn. On the o=
ne hand, I *did* get several years out of it. On the other, it had its oil,=
 filters, etc. changed regularly and it wasn&#39;t used heavily.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gma=
il_attr">On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:33 PM Scott Hall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:s=
cott.hall.personal@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">scott.ha=
ll.personal@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I have a Troy Bilt 4-cycle backpack l=
eaf blower, the older version of this thing:<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"=
https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/leaf-blowers/tb4bp-ec-backpack-gas-leaf-blow=
er/41BR4BEG766.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.troyb=
ilt.com/en_US/leaf-blowers/tb4bp-ec-backpack-gas-leaf-blower/41BR4BEG766.ht=
ml</a>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I need intelligent more experienced f=
olks to advise me before I slip into insanity.</div><div><br></div><div>The=
 past year or so the choke has lost effectiveness--you used to start it as =
directed: pump the primer bulb a few times, choke on full. Start. Choke to =
1/2 until warm, then choke full-off.</div><div><br></div><div>At first it w=
ouldn&#39;t start with choke full-on, I had to start it on half-choke. Then=
 1/4-ish.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>At the same time, the throttle bec=
ame more of an an/off switch. It would bog at anything other than idle. If =
I open it full, it would die. And it never achieved full-power.</div><div><=
br></div><div>Note: the choke is an actual choke--a plastic plate slides ov=
er the air intake on the carb.</div><div><br></div><div>This sounds like so=
mething that needs a carb cleanin&#39;, right? So I did. Took it apart, soa=
ked it in carb cleaner, re-assembled. </div><div><br></div><div>I also repl=
aced the fuel intake line and fuel filter--a weird little thing, looks like=
 a pumice stone on the end of the fuel line.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div=
>Worked...better. Not back to new, but better. For a day.=C2=A0=C2=A0<br></=
div><div><br></div><div>Now it won&#39;t start at all.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>There&#39;s just not that much to this carb. I blew it out with compre=
ssed air, chased the passages I could, etc. There&#39;s just not much there=
...there.</div><div><br></div><div>What&#39;s making me question my sanity =
is that this happened on my riding mower last year too and I similarly clea=
ned that carb, which was similarly simple and it absolutely would not run a=
gain until I just bought a new carb and replaced it.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>=C2=A0So here&#39;s the question: what am I doing or not doing that I ca=
n&#39;t clean a small engine carburetor? Is there some secret air passage o=
n small engine carbs that I&#39;m not reaching? I tool them completely apar=
t. There were no idle jets, or enrichment circuits, or...whatever. Just a h=
unk of metal with a few small holes. What on earth would make the new one b=
etter than the one that&#39;s on there?</div><div><br></div><div>I feel lik=
e this should be so simple and I&#39;m missing something so basic.=C2=A0<br=
></div></div>
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