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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf blower issues...need the elders' advice
From: Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 10:46:37 -0500
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What's the endurance of those battery blowers?  The driveway is probably
400 feet all in, plus maybe 1000 sq. ft. of parking pad in front of the
garage.

In the summers it's just grass clippings after mowing.  Right now, it can
get at least a foot deep in leaves.

(The lot is oddly-shaped and they put the house towards the back of it.)

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:39 AM Bill Rabel <brabel@comcast.net> wrote:

> I bought a battery-powered leaf blower. It works great. The sound and
> stink of a two-cycle blower drives me round the bend. Just sayin=E2=80=99=
.
>
> I=E2=80=99m a *cranky* elder...
>
> - Bill Rabel
>   Anacortes
>
> "Prejudice is a great time saver. You can form opinions without having to
> get the facts.=E2=80=9D  - E.B. White
>
> On Oct 24, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> And to complete this one too:
>
> The leaf blower had bad compression. Either a worn ring, piston, or
> cylinder. I didn't take it apart to find out which because Troy Bilt only
> sells the piston and ring and not the cylinder--if the cylinder is worn,
> it's garbage and the piston is only sold as part of a short
> block--literally you pull the cylinder off the old one and everything els=
e
> is new, apparently.
>
> I might take it apart this winter and see if it's the piston or ring--it
> hurts my heart to just toss that much metal and plastic in the trash--but=
 I
> haven't looked to see if the specs are available online yet to even know
> what they should be.
>
> The takeaway here for future searchers is NOT to buy Troy Bilt,
> apparently. I tried to take it to shops locally to repair it. None of the=
m
> would even look at it and every single one said to buy an Echo. So I'm of=
f
> to buy an Echo this morning. Also disappointed the parts aren't available
> and that it's so worn. On the one hand, I *did* get several years out of
> it. On the other, it had its oil, filters, etc. changed regularly and it
> wasn't used heavily.
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:33 PM Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com=
>
> wrote:
>
>> I have a Troy Bilt 4-cycle backpack leaf blower, the older version of
>> this thing:
>>
>>
>> https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/leaf-blowers/tb4bp-ec-backpack-gas-leaf-b=
lower/41BR4BEG766.html
>>
>>
>> I need intelligent more experienced folks to advise me before I slip int=
o
>> insanity.
>>
>> The past year or so the choke has lost effectiveness--you used to start
>> it as directed: pump the primer bulb a few times, choke on full. Start.
>> Choke to 1/2 until warm, then choke full-off.
>>
>> At first it wouldn't start with choke full-on, I had to start it on
>> half-choke. Then 1/4-ish.
>>
>> At the same time, the throttle became more of an an/off switch. It would
>> bog at anything other than idle. If I open it full, it would die. And it
>> never achieved full-power.
>>
>> Note: the choke is an actual choke--a plastic plate slides over the air
>> intake on the carb.
>>
>> This sounds like something that needs a carb cleanin', right? So I did.
>> Took it apart, soaked it in carb cleaner, re-assembled.
>>
>> I also replaced the fuel intake line and fuel filter--a weird little
>> thing, looks like a pumice stone on the end of the fuel line.
>>
>> Worked...better. Not back to new, but better. For a day.
>>
>> Now it won't start at all.
>>
>> There's just not that much to this carb. I blew it out with compressed
>> air, chased the passages I could, etc. There's just not much there...the=
re.
>>
>> What's making me question my sanity is that this happened on my riding
>> mower last year too and I similarly cleaned that carb, which was similar=
ly
>> simple and it absolutely would not run again until I just bought a new c=
arb
>> and replaced it.
>>
>>  So here's the question: what am I doing or not doing that I can't clean
>> a small engine carburetor? Is there some secret air passage on small eng=
ine
>> carbs that I'm not reaching? I tool them completely apart. There were no
>> idle jets, or enrichment circuits, or...whatever. Just a hunk of metal w=
ith
>> a few small holes. What on earth would make the new one better than the =
one
>> that's on there?
>>
>> I feel like this should be so simple and I'm missing something so basic.
>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">What&#39;s the endurance of those battery blowers?=C2=A0 =
The driveway is probably 400 feet all in, plus maybe 1000 sq. ft. of parkin=
g pad in front of the garage.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">In the summers it&#39;s just grass clippings after mowing.=C2=
=A0 Right now, it can get at least a foot deep in leaves.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">(The lot is oddly-shaped and =
they put the house towards the back of it.)</div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:3=
9 AM Bill Rabel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:brabel@comcast.net";>brabel@comcast.ne=
t</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">=
<span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I bought a battery-powere=
d leaf blower. It works great. The sound and stink of a two-cycle blower dr=
ives me round the bend. Just sayin=E2=80=99.</span><div><span style=3D"back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"backgro=
und-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I=E2=80=99m a <u>cranky</u> elder...<br></span>=
<div><br></div><div>- Bill Rabel</div><div>=C2=A0 Anacortes</div><br><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><p><span style=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span>&q=
uot;Prejudice is a great time saver. You can form opinions without having t=
o get the facts</span><span>.=E2=80=9D =C2=A0</span></span><span style=3D"b=
ackground-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);font-size:13pt">- E.B. White</span></p>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 24, 2020, at 6:=
42 AM, Scott Hall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:scott.hall.personal@gmail.com"; targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">scott.hall.personal@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=
=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">And to complete this one too:<div><br></div><div>The=
 leaf blower had bad compression. Either a worn ring, piston, or cylinder. =
I didn&#39;t take it apart to find out which because Troy Bilt only sells t=
he piston and ring and not the cylinder--if the cylinder is worn, it&#39;s =
garbage and the piston is only sold as part of a short block--literally you=
 pull the cylinder off the old one and everything else is new, apparently.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>I might take it apart this winter and see if it&#3=
9;s the piston or ring--it hurts my heart to just toss that much metal and =
plastic in the trash--but I haven&#39;t looked to see if the specs are avai=
lable online yet to even know what they should be.</div><div><br></div><div=
>The takeaway here for future searchers is NOT to buy Troy Bilt, apparently=
. I tried to take it to shops locally to repair it. None of them would even=
 look at it and every single one said to buy an Echo. So I&#39;m off to buy=
 an Echo this morning. Also disappointed the parts aren&#39;t available and=
 that it&#39;s so worn. On the one hand, I *did* get several years out of i=
t. On the other, it had its oil, filters, etc. changed regularly and it was=
n&#39;t used heavily.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:33 PM Scot=
t Hall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:scott.hall.personal@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blan=
k" rel=3D"noreferrer">scott.hall.personal@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I have =
a Troy Bilt 4-cycle backpack leaf blower, the older version of this thing:<=
div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/leaf-blowers/t=
b4bp-ec-backpack-gas-leaf-blower/41BR4BEG766.html" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"noreferrer">https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/leaf-blowers/tb4bp-ec-backpack-=
gas-leaf-blower/41BR4BEG766.html</a>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I need =
intelligent more experienced folks to advise me before I slip into insanity=
.</div><div><br></div><div>The past year or so the choke has lost effective=
ness--you used to start it as directed: pump the primer bulb a few times, c=
hoke on full. Start. Choke to 1/2 until warm, then choke full-off.</div><di=
v><br></div><div>At first it wouldn&#39;t start with choke full-on, I had t=
o start it on half-choke. Then 1/4-ish.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>At t=
he same time, the throttle became more of an an/off switch. It would bog at=
 anything other than idle. If I open it full, it would die. And it never ac=
hieved full-power.</div><div><br></div><div>Note: the choke is an actual ch=
oke--a plastic plate slides over the air intake on the carb.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>This sounds like something that needs a carb cleanin&#39;, right=
? So I did. Took it apart, soaked it in carb cleaner, re-assembled. </div><=
div><br></div><div>I also replaced the fuel intake line and fuel filter--a =
weird little thing, looks like a pumice stone on the end of the fuel line.=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Worked...better. Not back to new, but bette=
r. For a day.=C2=A0=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div>Now it won&#39;t sta=
rt at all.</div><div><br></div><div>There&#39;s just not that much to this =
carb. I blew it out with compressed air, chased the passages I could, etc. =
There&#39;s just not much there...there.</div><div><br></div><div>What&#39;=
s making me question my sanity is that this happened on my riding mower las=
t year too and I similarly cleaned that carb, which was similarly simple an=
d it absolutely would not run again until I just bought a new carb and repl=
aced it.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0So here&#39;s the question: what am=
 I doing or not doing that I can&#39;t clean a small engine carburetor? Is =
there some secret air passage on small engine carbs that I&#39;m not reachi=
ng? I tool them completely apart. There were no idle jets, or enrichment ci=
rcuits, or...whatever. Just a hunk of metal with a few small holes. What on=
 earth would make the new one better than the one that&#39;s on there?</div=
><div><br></div><div>I feel like this should be so simple and I&#39;m missi=
ng something so basic.=C2=A0<br></div></div>
</blockquote></div>
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