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Okay bleed the lines no solution, chance of air in the lines is remote, the s=
lave is higher than the master, the run between them is only a foot or so an=
d the line turns down for only a couple of inches between them. Additionally=
the bleederis at the highest point of the slave. =20
The lines are new as is the slave and master. =20
I did disassemble the master to check it out and it appears to be a Girling k=
nockoff. The piston and reservoir shut off valve feel cheaply made. I=E2=80=99=
m thinking that the reservoir shutoff may be leaking a bit until pressure is=
built up thus forcing fluid into the reservoir rather than to the slave. O=
nly way to check is order a new Girling master from Pegasus, basically a $12=
5 gamble.
Right now Donald and Pat are in the problem solving playoffs. =20
Will advise if the gamble pays off
Thanks for the suggestions.=20
Bob Nogueira=20
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> On Oct 9, 2019, at 7:18 PM, Donald H Locker via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox=
.team.net> wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BFIt would sound like air to me, too, but that it works "90% of the=
time" which would indicate to me that one of the seals is not sealing prope=
rly.
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> It's been a while, but I had a similar experience, and discovered that if I=
hit the pedal quick and hard, the clutch action was good; if not fast or ha=
rd enough, the pedal was soft.
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> My guess is that a seal is old and not always flaring out to the MC bore w=
hen the pedal is pressed.
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> Donald.
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>> On 2019-10-09 8:03 p.m., PJ McGarvey via Shop-talk wrote:
>> Sounds indicative of air in the lines, since the first pump is weak/soft,=
but as you pump it a few more times you get more pressure. Check for loose c=
onnections and then bleed a whole bottle of fluid.
>> PJ
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tom Shi=
rley Sr. via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 9, 2019 7:46 PM
>> *Cc:* Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Weird clutch petal
>> Air in the lines?
>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 6:38 PM Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk <shop-talk@au=
>> I have a hydraulic clutch, Girling 5/8=E2=80=9D master and a internal=
slave
>> that fits over the input shaft. Both are new. Problem is I have a
>> really good feeling petal, no leaks and good operation 90% of the
>> time but occasionally when you depress the clutch to change gears
>> the petal feels soft and will not fully release the clutch. Letting
>> the petal out and again depressing it and the feel and release are
>> again normal. Reservoir shows no lost of fluid.
>> Since the slave is mounted on the input shaft and operates directly
>> on the throw out bearing there is no linkage to cause the problem.
>> Any suggestions as to what could be causing this problem?
>> Bob Nogueira
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: au=
to;">Okay bleed the lines no solution, chance of air in the lines is remote,=
the slave is higher than the master, the run between them is only a foot or=
so and the line turns down for only a couple of inches between them. Additi=
onally <a href=3D"x-apple-data-detectors://0" dir=3D"ltr" x-apple-data-=
detectors=3D"true" x-apple-data-detectors-type=3D"misc" x-apple-data-detecto=
rs-result=3D"0" style=3D"color: currentcolor; text-decoration-color: rgba(12=
7, 127, 127, 0.380392);">the bleeder</a>is at the highest point of the slave=
. </span><br style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style=3D"=
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">The lines are new as is the slave and maste=
r. </span><br style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span st=
yle=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">I did disassemble the master to chec=
k it out and it appears to be a Girling knockoff. The piston and reservoir s=
hut off valve feel cheaply made. I=E2=80=99m thinking that the reservoir shu=
toff may be leaking a bit until pressure is built up thus forcing fluid into=
the reservoir rather than to the slave. Only way to check is order a n=
ew Girling master from Pegasus, basically a $125 gamble.</span><br style=3D"=
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: au=
to;">Right now Donald and Pat are in the problem solving playoffs. &nb=
sp;</span><br style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style=3D"-webk=
it-text-size-adjust: auto;">Will advise if the gamble pays off</span><br sty=
le=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adju=
st: auto;">Thanks for the suggestions. </span><br style=3D"-webkit-text=
-size-adjust: auto;"><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"></span>=
<br style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style=3D"-webkit-text-si=
ze-adjust: auto;">Bob Nogueira </span><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">B</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 9, 2019, at 7:18 PM, Do=
nald H Locker via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:<br><br><=
/blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>=
It would sound like air to me, too, but that it works "90% of the time" whic=
h would indicate to me that one of the seals is not sealing properly.</span>=
<br><span></span><br><span>It's been a while, but I had a similar experience=
, and discovered that if I hit the pedal quick and hard, the clutch action w=
as good; if not fast or hard enough, the pedal was soft.</span><br><span></s=
pan><br><span>My guess is that a seal is old and not always flaring out to t=
he MC bore when the pedal is pressed.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Donal=
d.</span><br><span>--</span><br><span>*Plain Text* email -- it's an accessib=
ility issue</span><br><span>() no proprietary attachments; no html mail</spa=
n><br><span>/\ <http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml&=
gt;</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 2019-10-09 8:03 p.m., PJ McGarvey vi=
a Shop-talk wrote:</span><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Sounds indicati=
ve of air in the lines, since the first pump is weak/soft, but as you pump i=
t a few more times you get more pressure. Check for loose connections and th=
en bleed a whole bottle of fluid.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><span>PJ</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>-----=
-------------------------------------------------------------------</span><b=
r></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>*From:* Shop-talk <shop-ta=
lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tom Shirley Sr. via Shop-talk <=
;shop-talk@autox.team.net></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><span>*Sent:* Wednesday, October 9, 2019 7:46 PM</span><br></blockquote><=
blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>*Cc:* Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net&=
gt;</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>*Subject:* Re: [S=
hop-talk] Weird clutch petal</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite=
"><span>Air in the lines?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><=
span>On Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 6:38 PM Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk <shop-ta=
lk@autox.team.net <mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net>> wrote:</span><=
br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span> I have a&=
nbsp; hydraulic clutch, Girling 5/8=E2=80=9D master and a internal slave</sp=
an><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span> that f=
its over the input shaft. Both are new. Problem is I have a</span><br>=
</blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span> really good f=
eeling petal, no leaks and good operation 90% of the</span><br></blockquote>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span> time but occasionally whe=
n you depress the clutch to change gears</span><br></blockquote><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><span> the petal feels soft and will not full=
y release the clutch. Letting</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><span> the petal out and again depressing it and the fe=
el and release are</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span> &=
nbsp; again normal. Reservoir shows no lost of fluid.</span><br><=
/blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span> Since the sla=
ve is mounted on the input shaft and operates directly</span><br></blockquot=
e><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span> on the throw out bearin=
g there is no linkage to cause the problem.</span><br></blockquote><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite"><span> Any suggestions as to what could b=
e causing this problem?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><sp=
an> Bob Nogueira</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><span> ____________________________________________=
___</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span> &nbs=
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