I sure will Dan, I can tell the same ones.
Jim in Palmdale
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>
To: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>
Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Muroc
> OK - this from a guy who has been to El Mirage since 1958 or 59. The stuff
> is like talc - the more water you use to try and clean turns the silt to
> MUD. Then try to remove it! When I drove the KKM Monza into the 2 club I
> could watch the dust rising from the floor. It was dust out or finish
line -
> which would come first, hold your breath and look for Glen in the timing
> stand - BINGO - 2club! It goes everywhere, like wet salt water when
driving
> out to the pits at Bonneville. I've had chunks of salt fall out of my
trucks
> 8-9 months after I thought I had got it all. Anyway - the dirt will never
go
> away, just like rust. I just sold my '89 Chev last night, I could see all
> the shiny stuff I did to clean it up but, I also saw the places you
cannot
> reach. I had a flat tire once and the under chassis spare was full of El
> Mirage dirt, so heavy I could not pick it up after dropping the tire to
the
> ground -talk about out of balance!!!! Rich Manchen will not race at Muroc
> because of the dirt ( a different consistincy than El Mirage dirt, finer
> compound). I guess Keith knows about different sizes of rocks, our racing
> surfaces are just real small. I know Rich Fox and Jim Dincau will back me
up
> on this short story.
>
> Dan Warner ( working Saturday watching electricians do their thing)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>
> To: DOUG ODOM <popms@thegrid.net>; Joe Timney <joetimney@dol.net>
> Cc: LAND-SPEED <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 9:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Muroc
>
>
> > I was kinda shocked that Chuck Salmen said he wouldn't go back there
> because
> > of the trouble with cleaning up after he got home... This from a Guy who
> > hangs out at Bonneville..... Isn't there some kind of cleaning solution
> > that would tackle the thing....
> >
> > Keith
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: DOUG ODOM <popms@thegrid.net>
> > To: Joe Timney <joetimney@dol.net>
> > Cc: LAND-SPEED <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 11:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: Muroc
> >
> >
> > > Joe, I have a open car so I just cut the windscreen low enough to see
> > > over it. (KISS) I don't take the enclosed trailer to Muroc or El
Mirage
> > > just because it's so much trouble to clean the dust out. Air and even
> > > brooms don't work. You have to use a damp rag or mop and wipe it off.
> > > Water hose by it's self won't work. If you can just keep the air
moving
> > > it seems to work best.
> > > Hope that's some help
> > > Doug in big ditch
> > >
> > > Joe Timney wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Doug,
> > > >
> > > > You mentioned that the dust clings to everything...If you have Lexan
> > windshield,
> > > > has anyone tried to use some type of anti-stat spray cleaner to
> minimize
> > the
> > > > build-up?
> > > >
> > > > joe from very cold Delaware
> > > >
> > > > DOUG ODOM wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > John; You have full windshield I believe. If so you can vent some
> air
> > > > > from the base of the windshield (like a defroster). First you
might
> > want
> > > > > to try this. Tape a couple of small pieces of yarn to the inside
of
> > your
> > > > > windshield and see if you have dead air on the inside. The darn
> stuff
> > is
> > > > > like talc powder and just clings to everything.Another trick is to
> > > > > Velcro to the back of one of your gloves something like a powder
> puff
> > if
> > > > > your visor likes to dust up.
> > > > > What size throttle body did you try? I'm still trying to
> > figure out
> > > > > what I'm going to need.
> > > > > Doug Odom by the pacific ocean
> > > > >
> > > > > John Beckett wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Doug
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We run a 23 deg set up, guess combustion takes longer than with
> the
> > 18
> > > > > > degree heads. Anyway we found a nice Weiand tunnel ram base that
> is
> > perfect
> > > > > > for our EFI system. Not to happy with the adapter plate I made
for
> > the
> > > > > > throttle bodies, but will be using a different top this year and
> > > > > > considerably larger TB's as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The price sure seems right on the SFS injection. I couldn't find
> if
> > they
> > > > > > have data logging or not, which I really like.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John Beckett, ECTA/BNI #79
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: DOUG ODOM <popms@thegrid.net>
> > > > > > To: John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 13, 2000 10:03 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Your car
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >John, Sorry to take so long between notes. Very busy!! My
friends
> > that
> > > > > > >run 18* chevys told me they had the best hp with only about 30*
> > timing.
> > > > > > >So that is where we started. After the first run and we were
over
> > 200mph
> > > > > > >I was not going to take a chance of messing up till I can dyno
it
> > and
> > > > > > >find what it really likes. What intake did you use or make for
> your
> > > > > > >injection? I'm going to make one like a sheet metal type. The
efi
> > I'm
> > > > > > >working with is from SDS. You can look at sdsefi.com and see
what
> > they
> > > > > > >have. There is a lot of information on that site and you can
down
> > load
> > > > > > >the whole thing. I hope to get this done for Muroc, but if not
> > I'll run
> > > > > > >my old carb. The record for E/ms is real low.
> > > > > > > Doug
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >John Beckett wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Doug
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> We weren't very conservative with our tune-up 42 deg.
> timing,
> > etc.
> > > > > > Had a
> > > > > > >> good cam but still felt down on HP. Finally realized the air
> flow
> > to the
> > > > > > EFI
> > > > > > >> was insufficient...just part of the learning curve of a new
EFI
> > > > > > >> system...best run was 205 MPH. As a last ditch effort to
> > understand what
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > >> going on we bolted on a 1000 cfm Holley and ran the 213 MPH.
> Had
> > a push
> > > > > > rod
> > > > > > >> and rocker part company, above 8,000 RPM, on the return run
and
> > managed a
> > > > > > >> 201 on seven cylinders.
> > > > > > >> So we know the potential is there, just have to get
> > everything to
> > > > > > work
> > > > > > >> as designed. Have made some major changes to the EFI manifold
> to
> > improve
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > >> air flow, also the valve train will be replaced for more
> durable
> > pieces.
> > > > > > At
> > > > > > >> that point I believe we can run a 225 MPH.
> > > > > > >> Your car being 1,000 lbs. lighter might pick up another 3
> to
> > 5 MPH
> > > > > > above
> > > > > > >> mine.
> > > > > > >> What type of EFI are you going to run this year?
> > > > > > >> Talk to Mayf about the NACA duct, sizing, etc. he has a
> bunch
> > of Aero
> > > > > > >> experience. Mine was extremely successful. Will use two more
> when
> > we
> > > > > > switch
> > > > > > >> to turbo's.
> > > > > > >> Will you be going to Muroc in June?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> John Beckett, Asheville, NC
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >> From: DOUG ODOM <popms@thegrid.net>
> > > > > > >> To: John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > > > > > >> Cc: LAND-SPEED <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > >> Date: Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:27 AM
> > > > > > >> Subject: Re: Your car
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >John, I didn't build the car with any weight in mind, so
after
> I
> > got it
> > > > > > >> >done I weighed it. Between 500 and 550 each wheel. For now
> just
> > going to
> > > > > > >> >run the E motor. I'm going to build a fuel injection (efi)
to
> > try and
> > > > > > >> >reduce the drag. The motor was just finished the day before
we
> > left for
> > > > > > >> >B-ville. Was conservitive with the tune up 30* timing and 30
> yr.
> > old
> > > > > > >> >carb.
> > > > > > >> > Doug Odom in Arroyo Grande, Ca.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >John Beckett wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Doug
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> I get confused during the chat's too. Everything
> happening
> > so
> > > > > > fast. I
> > > > > > >> >> don't type fast either. And some times answers don't come
> when
> > you
> > > > > > >> expect.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Wanted to ask you more about your beautiful little
E/MS.
> > Can't
> > > > > > >> believe
> > > > > > >> >> you get by with only 2100 lbs.. wow. Would think that
would
> > allow for
> > > > > > >> some
> > > > > > >> >> rapid acceleration if it hooks up. On our best run with
the
> > E/GCC we
> > > > > > went
> > > > > > >> >> through the 1/4 at 192 MPH and finished the five at 213
MPH.
> > What size
> > > > > > >> >> engine and fuel injection (mechanical or EFI) are you
going
> to
> > use
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > >> >> year?
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> John Beckett,
> > > > > > >> >> West, NC
> > >
> >
>
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