Yeah... well those folks like me are running the car because they are
Cheap... hell the new one is even cheaper till you get to the Late model
stuff..
Don't forget I have my Tongue firmly planted in my cheek about half the
time...
It was High on the Dyno by the way... Max air Pressure
I have the ability to raise and lower the car with the Air Ride
suspension... making putting it on the trailer a pure joy.. and changing
the plugs is easy also... John will tell you there were some Learning
curves with the Air Ride that first time out (car banging off the ground
with downforce)
I am really looking forward to Bonneville where I may in fact have a little
more time to look at Gages.. on a mile course your simply time limited... I
think the air pressures will tell me something about how much downforce the
car has a different altitudes.... oughta be real interesting.... oh and a
wheel and tire change isn't much of an issue for this car... just add
AIR....
Keith
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> From: Ferguson, Darrell <dfergus@bactc.com>
> To: land-speed@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: Horsepower and Wings
> Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 5:21 PM
>
> OK I'm with you on the Daytona, and the new Toyota Supra, but I can't
think
> of too many others that come from the factory with wings. As for your
> Camaro, it's not a bad little machine to cruise the salt in. It's
> aerodynamically OK (better than my 68 Firebird), I get the impression you
> think you're driving a brick. If you look within the altered class, it's
the
> most popular car to run. Maybe you could think about lowering it (it
looked
> pretty high in the Hot Rod photo) and maybe moving up to a bigger engine
to
> go faster. How bout some fuel, or nitrous, or a windmill. Lots to think
> about for future upgrades !
>
> DARRELL FERGUSON
> CELLULARONE
> EAST BAY FIELD OPERATIONS
> (415) 298-9000
> (510) 703-6970
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Keith Turk [SMTP:kturk@ala.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 6:59 PM
> > To: Ferguson, Darrell; 'Lawrence E. Mayfield';
> > land-speed@autox.team.net; dahlgren
> > Subject: Re: Horsepower and Wings
> >
> > How bout the Daytona.... The only car I can think of off the top of my
> > head
> > that has a larger frontal area then my Camaro....
> >
> > Go ahead and spank me again Rich for Running a Camaro... I deserve
it....
> >
> > But hey it's CHEAP and it was already teched at Bonneville...... and
for
> > the bottom line.... it might even be semi Fast...
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Ferguson, Darrell <dfergus@bactc.com>
> > > To: 'Lawrence E. Mayfield' <mayfield@traveller.com>; Keith Turk
> > <kturk@ala.net>; land-speed@autox.team.net; dahlgren
> > <dahlgren@uconect.net>
> > > Subject: RE: Horsepower and Wings
> > > Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 4:45 PM
> > >
> > > AHHH!! Another exciting topic to argue ! Now we get into an
> > interpretation
> > > of the rules. In my mind, a wing, like one found on a lakester, would
be
> > > illegal for the altered class. Spoilers as we all know, are not. But
now
> > I'm
> > > a little lost by "wings are supposed to be exactly like offered from
the
> > > factory". Help me out here, but I can't think of any cars that come
from
> > the
> > > factory with a "wing".
> > >
> > > DARRELL FERGUSON
> > > CELLULARONE
> > > EAST BAY FIELD OPERATIONS
> > > (415) 298-9000
> > > (510) 703-6970
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Lawrence E. Mayfield [SMTP:mayfield@traveller.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:09 AM
> > > > To: Keith Turk; land-speed@autox.team.net; dahlgren
> > > > Subject: Re: Horsepower and Wings
> > > >
> > > > Hey, you guys talking wings or spoilers? Wings are supposed to be
> > exactly
> > > > like offered from factory. Spoilers are a different thing...as you
> > point
> > > > out to me Keith..
> > > >
> > > > mayf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 03:18 PM 6/9/99 -0500, Keith Turk wrote:
> > > > >I agree and that is why we are going to take a second deck lid
with a
> > > > Wing
> > > > >that meets the requirements as well as allows the air to close a
> > little
> > > > >later behind the car...
> > > > >
> > > > >it has to be adjustable.... I think. to allow for the minimum
> > settings...
> > > > >
> > > > >We learned a good bit this weekend about driving the car with some
> > info
> > > > we
> > > > >downloaded after the passes.. I was a little to hard on the
throttle
> > > > during
> > > > >our first meet with the Motor and Brad was a little soft....This
meet
> > we
> > > > >were much better... though his shifts still took
> > > > >
> > > > >The Salt is going to require a ton of finesse... I can see that
> > > > already...
> > > > >but we still have to put the power down....
> > > > >
> > > > >Speaking of Spinning... I suppose I ought to consider a track bar
to
> > aid
> > > > in
> > > > >locating the rear end and body... as a helper... in the event of a
> > > > spin...
> > > > >
> > > > >Keith
> > > > >----------
> > > > >> From: dahlgren <dahlgren@uconect.net>
> > > > >> To: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>
> > > > >> Subject: Re: Horsepower and Wings
> > > > >> Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 1:49 PM
> > > > >>
> > > > >> A wing can be adjusted to give a lot or almost no down force and
> > the
> > > > >> drag at the low settings is very slight. it also does not add
very
> > much
> > > > >> drag until you are going very fast. ballast hurts you every
where.
> > It
> > > > >> takes more time and distance to get moving and adds a lot of
> > rolling
> > > > >> resistance. At least my way of looking at it.. At 1600 lbs and
425
> > hp
> > > > >> traction has been no problem with no wing so far it all depends
on
> > how
> > > > >> YOU drive it....
> > > > >> Dave Dahlgren
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Keith Turk wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I was talking with Darrell off line here a bit ago and a
thought
> > came
> > > > >to my
> > > > >> > mind.....
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I am dead set against running a wing on my car if I can get
away
> > with
> > > > >it...
> > > > >> > (based on stability at speed)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > anykind of aerodynamic tool which Produces downforce also
> > produces
> > > > >drag...
> > > > >> > and to move drag takes HP...
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I heard a comment here a couple of weeks ago about us having
more
> > HP
> > > > >then
> > > > >> > the traction allows... is this the case out there for most of
> > you?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Keith Turk
> > > > >> > Austin Healey 100, Bugeye, Box sprites, Bonneville Camaro (
Land
> > > > Speed
> > > > >> > Racer)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > L.E. Mayfield
> > > > 124 Maximillion Drive
> > > > Madison, Al. 35758-8171
> > > > 1-256-837-1051
> > > >
> > > > http://www.hsv.tis.net/~mayfield
> > > >
> > > > DrMayf@AOL.com
> > > > mayfield@traveller.com <<<<preferred
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bonneville Land Speed Racer, '66 Hydroplane Drag Boat (390 FE)
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