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Re: [Healeys] Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport Vintage

To: "'Michael Salter'" <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672
From: "Hank Leach" <gradea1@charter.net>
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AH Spares sells the straps with the insulation/padding mounted in=0Aplac=
e (photo). Did not see the padding sold individually by Moss, but=0Amayb=
e they are buying the straps from AH Spares as they do with any=0Anumber=
 of other items.=0ANote that there is no provision made for the early pa=
d position-one=0Asize fits all. Hank=0A=0A=09---------------------------=
--------------From: "Michael Salter" =0ATo: warthodson@aol.com=0ACc: "Ha=
nk Leach", "healeys@autox.team.net"=0ASent: Thursday August 3 2023 7:14:=
17AM=0ASubject: Re: [Healeys] Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick -=
=0AWestport Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672=0A=0A I would comp=
letely agree with Gary. I've seen many, many original=0AHealeys of all m=
odels and ALL had gas tank strap padding of "around"=0A0.125" thickness.=
 The only variation that I'm aware of is that the=0Aearly BN1 pads and r=
ivets were positioned differently on the metal=0Astraps. M  =0A On Thu.,=
 Aug. 3, 2023, 9:33 a.m. warthodson--- via Healeys,  wrote:=0A    I have=
 an original tank strap from a '64 Phase 1 BJ8 & an early=0ABN1. The pac=
king material is .125" thick on both.  Gary H =0A    On Wednesday, Augus=
t 2, 2023 at 11:47:55 AM CDT, Hank Leach =0Awrote: =0A=0A   Might depend=
 on the car involved. At chassis 151608-151610 the=0Apetrol tank straps=
 and packing were modified. Knowing Moss, they=0Aalways opt for the late=
r release and ignore the early cars. The photo=0Aof the packing is way t=
oo thick. The length of the straps may be=0Alonger as well. The early ta=
nks were a two piece assembly, then later=0Aa one piece. Cinching down t=
he bolts under the boot floor would=0Ashorten the straps until you run o=
ut of threads. Packing under the=0Atank will also affect the assembly. H=
ank=0A=0A=09----------------------------------------- From: "warthodson-=
-- via=0AHealeys"=0A To: "healeys@autox.team.net"=0A Cc: "moss.tech@moss=
motors.com"=0A Sent: Wednesday August 2 2023 8:03:59AM=0A Subject: [Heal=
eys] Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport=0AVintage Restora=
tions 7-553606 - 5-6162672=0A=0A I recently ordered a set of gas tank ho=
ld down straps from Moss=0Amotors. They are well constructed with 1 exce=
ption. The "strap pad"=0A(packing) thickness is .25" vs .125" original t=
hickness based upon=0Aseveral old straps I have. Not only is their strap=
ping twice as thick,=0Ait also is 2 layers of .125" material. See attach=
ed Moss photo. This=0Ameans that the steel straps sit twice as high off=
 of the gas tank. See=0AMoss photo of an MGA tank. Apparently, the Moss=
 vendor made them to=0Athe Moss specification. It is the specification t=
hat is in error. Am I=0Acorrect that the packing material should be .125=
" thick? Were MGA=0Astrap pads thicker than Healeys? Has anyone run into=
 this since 2010?=0AGary Hodson  =0A=0A      ----- Forwarded Message ---=
-- FROM: Tech  TO:=0A"warthodson@aol.com"  SENT: Tuesday, August 1, 2023=
 at 11:29:19 AM CDT=0ASUBJECT: Fwd: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick -=
 Westport Vintage=0ARestorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672 =0A      Please ta=
ke a look at ticket #132027 [1] raised by Stu Bowman=0A(bowmans@mossmoto=
rs.com). Hello, =E2=80=8B The strap pad thickness of just=0Aunder 0.25=
=E2=80=9D matches our 2010 drawing specifications and has been=0Aproduce=
d to those specifications for thirteen years now. We have not=0Afound th=
e straps to cause an installation issue during that time.    I=0Ahave at=
tached a photo of the prototype strap that preceded our=0Aspecification=
 changes on this part number. Please note the strap is in=0Aa fully inst=
alled state when this photo was taken. =0A   With regards,=0A=0A Ken Hyn=
dman=0A =E2=80=8B=0A Tech Services (Mon - Thurs. 10am =E2=80=93 3.45 pm=
 PST )=0A Moss Motors, LTD. =0A 800-667-7872 ext 7252=0Ahyndmank@mossmot=
ors.com =0A  ON FRI, 14 JUL AT 6:12 AM , STU BOWMAN  WROTE:        MOSS=
 MOTORS=0ATECHNICAL SUPPORT REQUEST    TECHNICAL/PRODUCT ISSUE. IF UPHOL=
STERY=0AISSUE PLEASE INCLUDE JUP#:    WHAT EXACTLY IS THE ISSUE?=0A.....=
.........:gas tanks strap, the packing on it , is too thick See=0Apic=
=E2=80=99s   Please call custom er advise of proper size packing on stri=
p=0ATROUBLESHOOT / RESOLUTION=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..: Par=
t=0A#:.......................: 853-810 gas tank strip Moss Inv=0A#:.....=
....................: 5-6162672 Moss Manufactured upholstery=0AJUP #...=
.........................: Has part been installed?=0A=E2=80=A6=E2=80=
=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..:  CUSTOMER I=
NFO: Customer=0A#.........................: 7-755606 Contact Name:......=
...........:=0Awaestport vintage restorations=0APhone:.................=
...............: 913-441-8335 Email=0AAddress:....................: war=
thodson@aol.com  CAR INFO:=0AYear=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6: all Model=
=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6: ahy ANYTHING SPECIAL ABOUT THE=0ACAR/ENGINE?.....: P=
HOTOS OF PROBLEM:      Moss Technical Services=0AAction Taken:         =
    FROM: Warthodson =0ASENT: Thursday, July 13, 2023 4:19 PM=0ATO: Stu=
 Bowman =0ASUBJECT: 853-310                =0A 132027:1089000         =
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<html><body>AH Spares sells the straps with the insulation/padding mount=
ed in place (photo).&nbsp; Did not see the padding sold individually by=
 Moss, but maybe they are buying the straps from AH Spares as they do wi=
th any number of other items.<div><br></div><div>Note that there is no p=
rovision made for the early pad position-one size fits all. Hank<br><br>=
<div class=3D"reply-new-signature"></div><p>----------------------------=
-------------</p>From: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com><br>To:=
 warthodson@aol.com<br>Cc: "Hank Leach", "healeys@autox.team.net"<br>Sen=
t: Thursday August 3 2023 7:14:17AM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fw: 851-31=
0 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport Vintage Restorations 7-553606 -=
 5-6162672<br><br>=0A<div>I would completely agree with Gary. I've seen=
 many,=0Amany original Healeys of all models and ALL had gas tank strap=
=0Apadding of "around" 0.125" thickness.=0A<div>The only variation that=
 I'm aware of is that the=0Aearly BN1 pads and rivets were positioned di=
fferently on the metal=0Astraps.</div>=0A<div>M</div>=0A</div>=0A<br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu.=
, Aug. 3, 2023, 9:33 a.m.=0Awarthodson--- via Healeys, &lt;<a>healeys@au=
tox.team.net</a>&gt;=0Awrote:<br></div>=0A<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex;">=0A<div>=0A<div style=3D"font-family:'Comic Sans MS', sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:16px;">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">I have an original tank strap from a=
 '64 Phase 1 BJ8=0A&amp; an early BN1. The packing material is .125" thi=
ck on=0Aboth.&nbsp;</div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">Gary H</div>=0A<div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br></div>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica=
 Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">=0A<=
div>On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:47:55 AM CDT, Hank Leach=0A&lt;<a=
>gradea1@charter.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div><br><=
/div>=0A<div>=0A<div>=0A<div>Might depend on the car involved.&nbsp; At=
 chassis=0A151608-151610 the petrol tank straps and packing were modifie=
d.=0AKnowing Moss, they always opt for the later release and ignore the=
=0Aearly cars. The photo of the packing is way too thick.&nbsp; The=0Ale=
ngth of the straps may be longer as well. The early tanks were a=0Atwo p=
iece assembly, then later a one piece. Cinching down the bolts=0Aunder t=
he boot floor would shorten the straps until you run out of=0Athreads. P=
acking under the tank will also affect the assembly.=0AHank<br><br><p>--=
---------------------------------------</p>=0AFrom: "warthodson--- via H=
ealeys"<br>=0ATo: "<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>"<br>=0ACc: "<a>moss.tec=
h@mossmotors.com</a>"<br>=0ASent: Wednesday August 2 2023 8:03:59AM<br>=
=0ASubject: [Healeys] Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick -=0AWestpor=
t Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672<br><br><div style=3D"font-fa=
mily:'Comic Sans MS', sans-serif;font-size:16px;">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">I&=
nbsp; recently ordered a set of gas tank hold down=0Astraps from Moss mo=
tors. They are well constructed with 1=0Aexception. The "strap pad" (pac=
king) thickness is .25" vs .125"=0Aoriginal thickness based upon several=
 old straps I have. Not only=0Ais their strapping twice as thick, it als=
o is 2 layers of .125"=0Amaterial. See attached Moss photo. This means t=
hat the steel straps=0Asit twice as high off of the gas tank. See Moss p=
hoto of an MGA=0Atank. Apparently, the Moss vendor made them to the Moss=
=0Aspecification. It is the specification that is in error.</div>=0A<div=
 dir=3D"ltr">Am I correct that the packing material should be=0A.125" th=
ick? Were MGA strap pads thicker than Healeys?</div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">=
Has anyone run into this since 2010?</div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">Gary Hodso=
n&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
></div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<div style=3D"font-family=
:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26=
282a;">=0A<div>----- Forwarded Message -----</div>=0A<div><b>From:</b> T=
ech &lt;<a>moss.tech@mossmotors.com</a>&gt;</div>=0A<div><b>To:</b> "<a>=
warthodson@aol.com</a>" &lt;<a>warthodson@aol.com</a>&gt;</div>=0A<div><=
b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:29:19 AM CDT</div>=0A<div><b>S=
ubject:</b> Fwd: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick -=0AWestport Vintage=
 Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672</div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>=0A<di=
v>=0A<div style=3D"font-family:'-apple-system', BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Seg=
oe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">=0A=
<div style=3D"font-family:'-apple-system', BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI=
', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">=0A<div=
 dir=3D"ltr">=0A<div><span>Please take a look at ticket&nbsp;</span><a h=
ref=3D"https://mossmotorshelp.freshdesk.com/helpdesk/tickets/132027"; sty=
le=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">#132027</a><span>&nbsp;raised=
 by Stu Bowman=0A(<a>bowmans@mossmotors.com</a>).</span></div>=0A<div><s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">Hello,</span></div>=0A<div><span dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=8B<s=
pan style=3D"font-size:14px;font-family:'Segoe UI', sans-serif;" dir=3D"=
ltr">&nbsp;=0A&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; The strap=
 pad=0Athickness of just under 0.25=E2=80=9D matches our 2010 drawing=0A=
specifications and has been produced to those specifications for=0Athirt=
een years now. We have not found the straps to cause an=0Ainstallation i=
ssue during that time.&nbsp;</span></span></div>=0A<div style=3D"margin:=
0in;font-size:15px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">=0A<span style=3D"f=
ont-size:14px;font-family:'Segoe UI', sans-serif;">&nbsp; &nbsp;=0A&nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I have attached a photo=0Aof the pr=
ototype strap that preceded our specification changes on=0Athis part num=
ber. Please note the strap is in a fully installed=0Astate when this pho=
to was taken.</span></div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A</div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr"=
>=0A<div><a><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Arial, sans-=
serif;font-size:10pt;" dir=3D"ltr">With regards,<br><br>=0A&nbsp;Ken &nb=
sp; Hyndman<br>=0A=E2=80=8B<br>=0A&nbsp;Tech &nbsp;Services (Mon - Thurs=
 10am =E2=80=93 3.45 pm PST )<br>=0A&nbsp;Moss Motors, LTD.</span></a><=
span><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);">&nbsp;</span></span><span><sp=
an style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size=
:10pt;"><br>=0A=0A&nbsp;800-667-7872 ext 7252<br></span></span><a title=
=3D"mailto:hyndmank@mossmotors.com";><span><span style=3D"color:rgb(5,99,=
193);font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">hyndmank@mossmotors.=
com</span></span></a></div>=0A<br></div>=0A<div>=0A<blockquote>On Fri, 1=
4 Jul at 6:12 AM <span>, Stu Bowman=0A&lt;<a>bowmans@mossmotors.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:</span>=0A<div style=3D"font-family:'-apple-system', BlinkMacS=
ystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif;font-=
size:14px;">=0A<div>=0A<div><span>&nbsp;</span></div>=0A<div><span>&nbsp=
;</span></div>=0A<div align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center;">=0A<=
span><b><u><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">MOSS MOTORS TECHNICAL=0ASUPPO=
RT REQUEST</span></u></b></span></div>=0A<div align=3D"center" style=3D"=
text-align:center;"></div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div align=3D"center" s=
tyle=3D"text-align:center;"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'T=
imes New Roman', serif;color:#ff0000;">TECHNICAL/PRODUCT=0AISSUE. IF UPH=
OLSTERY ISSUE PLEASE INCLUDE JUP#:</span></div>=0A<div align=3D"center"=
 style=3D"text-align:center;"></div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'Bookman Old Style', serif;">WHAT EXAC=
TLY=0AIS THE ISSUE?</span> <span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'Bo=
okman Old Style', serif;">...............:gas=0Atanks strap, the packing=
 on it , is too thick</span></div>=0A<div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;=
font-family:'Bookman Old Style', serif;">See=0Apic=E2=80=99s</span></div=
>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'=
Bookman Old Style', serif;">Please call=0Acustom er advise of proper siz=
e packing on strip</span></div>=0A<div><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;fon=
t-family:'Bookman Old Style', serif;">TROUBLESHOOT=0A/ RESOLUTION=E2=80=
=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..:</span></div>=0A<div><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10pt;font-family:'Bookman Old Style', serif;">Part=0A#:..........=
............:</span> <span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'Times N=
ew Roman', serif;">853-810 gas=0Atank strip</span></div>=0A<div><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'Bookman Old Style', serif;">Moss Inv=
=0A#:..........................:</span> <span style=3D"font-size:10pt;fo=
nt-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">5-6162672</span></div>=0A<div><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'Bookman Old Style', serif;">Moss=
=0AManufactured upholstery JUP=0A#.............................:</span><=
/div>=0A<div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'Bookman Old Styl=
e', serif;">Has part=0Abeen installed? =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=
=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..:</span></div>=0A<div><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'Bookman Old Style', serif;color:#ff000=
0;">=0ACUSTOMER INFO:</span></div>=0A<div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;=
font-family:'Bookman Old Style', serif;">Customer=0A#...................=
.....:</span> <span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'Times New Roma=
n', serif;">7-755606</span></div>=0A<div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;f=
ont-family:'Bookman Old Style', serif;">Contact=0AName:.................=
:</span> <span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', s=
erif;">waestport=0Avintage restorations</span></div>=0A<div><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'Bookman Old Style', serif;">Phone:......=
..........................:</span>=0A<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font=
-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">913-441-8335</span></div>=0A<div><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'Bookman Old Style', serif;">Email=
=0AAddress:....................:</span> <span style=3D"font-size:10pt;fo=
nt-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><a>warthodson@aol.com</a></span></d=
iv>=0A<div><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'Bookman Old Style'=
, serif;color:#ff0000;">=0ACAR INFO:</span></div>=0A<div><span style=3D"=
font-size:10pt;font-family:'Bookman Old Style', serif;">Year=E2=80=A6=E2=
=80=A6=E2=80=A6:</span>=0A<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">all</span></div>=0A<div><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt;font-family:'Bookman Old Style', serif;">Model=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6:</=
span>=0A<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', ser=
if;">ahy</span></div>=0A<div><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'=
Bookman Old Style', serif;">ANYTHING=0ASPECIAL ABOUT THE CAR/ENGINE?....=
:</span></div>=0A<div><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times=
 New Roman', serif;">PHOTOS OF=0APROBLEM:</span></div>=0A<div><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'Bookman Old Style', serif;">&nbsp;</spa=
n>=0A<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'Bookman Old Style', seri=
f;">&nbsp;</span></div>=0A<div><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family=
:'Bookman Old Style', serif;color:#ff0000;">=0AMoss Technical Services A=
ction Taken:</span></div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div=
>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>=0A<div sty=
le=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in 0in;"=
>=0A<div><b>From:</b> Warthodson &lt;<a>warthodson@aol.com</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 13, 2023 4:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> Stu Bowman &lt;=
<a>bowmans@mossmotors.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> 853-310</div>=0A</d=
iv>=0A</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A</div>=0A=
<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A</blockquote>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A=
<br><span title=3D"fd_tkt_identifier" style=3D"font-size:0px;font-family=
:fdtktid;line-height:0px;color:rgb(255,255,255);">=0A132027:1089000</spa=
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