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Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy

To: Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>, Steven Kingsbury <airtightproductions@me.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy
From: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 02:09:17 +0000
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I had been using solid core wires since 2002, but when I changed to negativ=
e ground in 2019 the new pertronix had a warning against solid core (electr=
onics sensitive to RF spikes or something) so I bought a set of carbon core=
 wires and adapted them to my original (acorn nut) distributor cap by holdi=
ng the brass washers in place with small brass screws inserted into the car=
bon core. No problems yet.

Bill Lawrence
BN1 #554
________________________________
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Steven Kingsbur=
y via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 10:28 PM
To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy

Bob,
Thanks for the link, I'll check this out and chase it down. I know also you=
 said you were using the solid core wires, but on this website you sent, it=
 definitely advises against that. Like you, I wonder why. other than messin=
g with a radio, I would see no disadvantage. And sense I have no radio, I d=
on't mind messing with folks next to me and their radios!
Stay tuned! (No pun intended)
Steven

On Aug 30, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:


Found some here:

https://vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/austin_healey.htm

Looks like there's two versions--'early' and 'late'--for 4-cyl Healeys.




On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys wrote:
Been watching this entertaining discussion from the sidelines and I'm one o=
f those: "it's your car, do what you want" guys, but I have a question abou=
t the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a change in plug wires =
is required. From solid core copper to carbon fiber. So how can those of yo=
u going back and forth from points to Pertronix doing it? Or, are you just =
sticking with the solid core wires?
I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the "ignitor" wouldn=
't fit where it was claimed, in the depression for the condensor, it fit wa=
y off not quite 180 degrees but close, and though I did get a backfire, I n=
ever got the car to run and gave up.
I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything up, put everyth=
ing back together, refit it with new points and reinstalled it in the car u=
sing the cell phone photos I took to get it back as close as possible and b=
am!, she fired right up! Got my timing light out, made the slightest adjust=
ment and I'm back in the game.
I have since been able to buy another distributor from a BN1, which was a b=
it of a mess inside, but was able to tear it apart, clean it, put it back t=
ogether and it now works just fine and now if I have trouble on the side of=
 the road, I have a spare distributor to switch out.
But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the solid core wire ques=
tion is still in my mind. As well as the placement of the ignitor. Or am I =
just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit. Thanks!
Steven Kingsbury
BN1

On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com><mailt=
o:michael.oritt@gmail.com> wrote:


I've had the pleasure of replacing a set of contact points alongside the ro=
ad in the dark.  If you don't get the stack of insulating washers and parts=
 correct you are going nowhere and it's awfully easy to drop one of the bit=
s down and under the car--with the same result.

I put a Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey about twen=
ty years ago with absolutely no issue other than a cracked external ballast=
 resistor and about three years ago I replaced the module simply because I =
did not want to push my luck any further.  On long trips I carry a spare di=
stributor with drive dog attached, allowing for quick and easy replacement =
and no need to worry about timing so long as I pay careful attention to the=
 positions of the rotor and distributor body when switching things out.

On my race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the failure mode is =
almost always total which makes diagnosis much easier whereas with points t=
here is one more component (the condenser) plus very often when points igni=
tions go bad the problem is often partial and/or intermittent, resulting in=
 more time lost trying to diagnose the problem with more sessions lost due =
to having more possibilities to eliminate.

Best--Michael Oritt

On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys <healeys@autox.te=
Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car would not=
 have been disabled due to the points failing".
Gary


-----Original Message-----
eam.net>>
Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy


Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I came upon a d=
isabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a fraternity brother's weddi=
ng. This was before cell phones. Disabled vehicles were at the mercy of tow=
 trucks and exorbitant fees. It was determined there was no spark. With no =
tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the points, and we=
re both on our way! Try that with a Pertronix unit!

Doug
To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas yea=
rs ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman stopped =
and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 miles =
=96 put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired one i=
n the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit

John Sims
www.healey6.com<http://www.healey6.com/>
Matawan, NJ

team.net>> On Behalf Of Jim Ryan
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy

Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has al=
ways been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on the =
side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same mann=
er if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm r=
eferring to a1958 Bugeye here.

doc@gmail.com>> wrote:
It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, including=
 the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit.  I'm very happy =
with the results.
Pat Williams
1960 BT7
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I had been using solid core wires since 2002, but when I changed to negativ=
e ground in 2019 the new pertronix had a warning against solid core (electr=
onics sensitive to RF spikes or something) so I bought a set of carbon core=
 wires and adapted them to my original
 (acorn nut) distributor cap by holding the brass washers&nbsp;<span style=
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<span style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; -webkit-text-size-=
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<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" st=
yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;healeys-b=
ounces@autox.team.net&gt; on behalf of Steven Kingsbury via Healeys &lt;hea=
leys@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 30, 2022 10:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bob Spidell &lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> healeys@autox.team.net &lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Bob,<br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for the link, I'll check this out and chase it down. I know als=
o you said you were using the solid core wires, but on this website you sen=
t, it definitely advises against that. Like you, I wonder why. other than m=
essing with a radio, I would see
 no disadvantage. And sense I have no radio, I don't mind messing with folk=
s next to me and their radios!<br>
</div>
<div>Stay tuned! (No pun intended)<br>
</div>
<div>Steven</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>On Aug 30, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Bob Spidell &lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;=
 wrote:<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Found some here: <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" href=3D"https://vintageperformance.com/=
retrorockets/austin_healey.htm" class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext">https://v=
intageperformance.com/retrorockets/austin_healey.htm</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Looks like there's two versions--'early' and 'late'--for 4-cyl Healeys=
.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_moz-cite-prefix">On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM, Steven Kingsbury via=
 Healeys wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>Been watching this entertaining discussion from the sidelines and I'm =
one of those: &quot;it's your car, do what you want&quot; guys, but I have =
a question about the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a change=
 in plug wires is required. From solid core
 copper to carbon fiber. So how can those of you going back and forth from =
points to Pertronix doing it? Or, are you just sticking with the solid core=
 wires?&nbsp;<br>
</div>
<div>I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the &quot;ignit=
or&quot; wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the depression for the conde=
nsor, it fit way off not quite 180 degrees but close, and though I did get =
a backfire, I never got the car to run and
 gave up.<br>
</div>
<div>I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything up, put ev=
erything back together, refit it with new points and reinstalled it in the =
car using the cell phone photos I took to get it back as close as possible =
and bam!, she fired right up! Got
 my timing light out, made the slightest adjustment and I'm back in the gam=
e.<br>
</div>
<div>I have since been able to buy another distributor from a BN1, which wa=
s a bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it apart, clean it, put it b=
ack together and it now works just fine and now if I have trouble on the si=
de of the road, I have a spare distributor
 to switch out.&nbsp;<br>
</div>
<div>But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the solid core wire=
 question is still in my mind. As well as the placement of the ignitor. Or =
am I just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit. Thanks!<b=
r>
</div>
<div>Steven Kingsbury&nbsp;<br>
</div>
<div>BN1<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt <a href=3D"mailto:michael.=
oritt@gmail.com" class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E">
&lt;michael.oritt@gmail.com&gt;</a> wrote:<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"x_gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I've had the pleasur=
e of replacing a set of contact points&nbsp;alongside the road in the dark.=
&nbsp; If you don't get the stack of insulating washers and parts correct y=
ou are going nowhere and it's awfully easy to
 drop one&nbsp;of the bits down and under the car--with the same result.&nb=
sp;&nbsp;<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I put a Mallory Unil=
ite distributor/ignition system in my Healey about twenty years ago with ab=
solutely&nbsp;no issue other than a cracked external ballast resistor and a=
bout three years ago I replaced&nbsp;the module
 simply because I did not want to push my luck any further.&nbsp; On long t=
rips I carry a spare distributor with drive dog attached, allowing for quic=
k and easy replacement&nbsp;and no need to worry about timing so long as I =
pay careful attention to the positions of
 the rotor and distributor body when switching things&nbsp;out.<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">On my race cars I us=
e Pertronix modules simply because the failure mode is almost always total =
which makes diagnosis much easier whereas&nbsp;with points there is one mor=
e component&nbsp;(the condenser) plus very often
 when points ignitions go bad the problem is often partial and/or intermitt=
ent, resulting in more time lost trying to diagnose the problem with more s=
essions lost due to having more possibilities to eliminate.&nbsp;<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt<=
br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"x_gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM war=
thodson--- via Healeys &lt;<a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mai=
lto:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"x_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=0A=
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                rgb(204,204,204); padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"">
<div>Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: &quot;the car=
 would not have been disabled due to the points failing&quot;.&nbsp;<br>
</div>
<div>Gary<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica; font-size:10pt; color:black"><sp=
an class=3D"x_size" style=3D"font-size:13px">
<div>-----Original Message-----<br>
</div>
<div>From: dwflagg--- via Healeys &lt;<a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext" =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
</div>
<div>To: <a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:ahbn6@verizon.=
net">ahbn6@verizon.net</a><br>
</div>
<div>Cc: <a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.=
team.net">
healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
</div>
<div>Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm<br>
</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div>
<div><b><span style=3D""><span class=3D"x_size" style=3D"font-size:12pt">Al=
so, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I came upon a dis=
abled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a fraternity&nbsp;brother's we=
dding. This was before cell phones. Disabled
 vehicles were at the mercy of tow trucks and&nbsp;</span></span></b><b sty=
le=3D"font-size:16px">exorbitant fees. It was
</b><span style=3D""><span class=3D"x_size" style=3D"font-size:16px"><b>det=
ermined</b></span></span><b style=3D"font-size:16px">&nbsp;there was no spa=
rk. With no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the
</b><span style=3D""><span class=3D"x_size" style=3D"font-size:16px"><b>poi=
nts,</b></span></span><b style=3D"font-size:16px">&nbsp;and were both on ou=
r&nbsp;</b><span style=3D""><span class=3D"x_font" style=3D""><span class=
=3D"x_size" style=3D"font-size:12pt"><span style=3D""><span class=3D"x_size=
" style=3D"font-size:16px"><b>way!
 Try</b></span><span class=3D"x_font" style=3D""><span style=3D""><span cla=
ss=3D"x_size" style=3D"font-size:12pt"><b>&nbsp;that with a Pertronix unit!=
</b></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;<br>
</div>
<div><b><span style=3D""><span class=3D"x_size" style=3D"font-size:12pt">Do=
ug</span></span></b><br>
</div>
<h1><b style=3D"font-size:10pt"><span style=3D""><span class=3D"x_font" sty=
le=3D""><span class=3D"x_size" style=3D"font-size:12pt">To add more fuel to=
 the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas years ago I had the ro=
tor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman
 stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 1=
5 miles =96 put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repair=
ed one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit</s=
pan></span></span></b><br>
</h1>
<div>
<div><b><span style=3D""><span class=3D"x_font" style=3D""><span class=3D"x=
_size" style=3D"font-size:12pt">&nbsp;</span></span></span></b><br>
</div>
<div><b><span style=3D""><span class=3D"x_font" style=3D""><span class=3D"x=
_size" style=3D"font-size:12pt">John Sims</span></span></span></b><br>
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<div><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"=
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Ryan<br>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM<br>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy<br>
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<div>Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points h=
as always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on=
 the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same=
 manner if you carried a spare,
 and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye h=
ere.<br>
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<div>On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams &lt;<a class=3D"x_moz-t=
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<div>It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, incl=
uding the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit.&nbsp; I'm v=
ery happy with the results.<br>
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<div>Pat Williams<br>
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