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Re: [Healeys] BJ8 electrical problems

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Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 electrical problems
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 17:03:13 -0800
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I've seen a few discussions over the years by people wondering if there 
was a way to put a circuit breaker on the starter circuit. Maybe someone 
fitted a CB, or a fuse, along the long cable run from the battery to the 
starter, under the car? A fuse would be easiest but, of course, you'd 
have to replace it every time you had a short.


On 3/10/2022 11:46 AM, Henry G Leach via Healeys wrote:
> Bob-there is nothing else under the dash on Healeys. There is no 
> ballast resistor which would affect starting. If the starter is bad, 
> it created a direct short to the batteries and by lifting the Positive 
> ground cable it relived the short. The only other interruption in the 
> line between the batteries and the starter is the shut-off switch, 
> which you eliminated. Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> From: rfbegani@gmail.com
> To: "BJ8Healeys"
> Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
> Sent: Thursday March 10 2022 11:34:16AM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 electrical problems
>
> It is not the cutoff switch because I replaced it twice over the years 
> and gave up with using one.  Keep thinking I would rebuild the 
> original one that came with the car and never got around to it. Wonder 
> if the new BJ8 cut off switches from Moss are any good?
>
> Must be something else in line under the dash,
>
> Thanks Steve,
>
> Bob Begani
>
> *From:* BJ8Healeys <sbyers@ec.rr.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2022 2:15 PM
> *To:* rfbegani@gmail.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Healeys] BJ8 electrical problems
>
> The cutoff switch in the boot shorting out?
>
> Something similar happened to me when I was 3000 miles from home. 
> Fortunately, the first time was temporary and I got home again before 
> it happened the next time.
>
> Steve Byers
>
> BJ8 Registry
>
> AHCA Delegate at Large
>
> Havelock, NC USA
>
> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of* 
> Bob Begani via Healeys
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2022 1:16 PM
> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [Healeys] BJ8 electrical problems
>
> My high torque starter stopped operating. Determined it is the 
> solenoid, so I will be removing it the starter for a bench test.  
> Meanwhile, we discovered an interesting electrical situation.  When 
> trying to start the car the starter would short out and the electrical 
> system would completely shut down.  In checking the battery 
> connection, it was discovered disconnecting and reconnecting the 
> ground from the battery the electrical system became live. There must 
> be a GFI type of device in the wires to and from the ignition switch.  
> I doubt it was installed at the factory, maybe by the restorer?  What 
> am I looking for under the dash?  It is a great idea, however I want 
> to know what is it and where it is located.
>
> Bob Begani
>
>

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    I've seen a few discussions over the years by people wondering if
    there was a way to put a circuit breaker on the starter circuit.
    Maybe someone fitted a CB, or a fuse, along the long cable run from
    the battery to the starter, under the car? A fuse would be easiest
    but, of course, you'd have to replace it every time you had a short.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/10/2022 11:46 AM, Henry G Leach
      via Healeys wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:383949c29608c121e703dc2529303fa1655fe059@webmail">
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      Bob-there is nothing else under the dash on Healeys. There is no
      ballast resistor which would affect starting. If the starter is
      bad, it created a direct short to the batteries and by lifting the
      Positive ground cable it relived the short. The only other
      interruption in the line between the batteries and the starter is
      the shut-off switch, which you eliminated. Hank<br>
      <br>
      <p>-----------------------------------------</p>
      From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com";>rfbegani@gmail.com</a><br>
      To: "BJ8Healeys"<br>
      Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
      Sent: Thursday March 10 2022 11:34:16AM<br>
      Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 electrical problems<br>
      <br>
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">It is
            not the
            cutoff switch because I replaced it twice over the years and
            gave
            up with using one.  Keep thinking I would rebuild the
            original
            one that came with the car and never got around to it. 
            Wonder
            if the new BJ8 cut off switches from Moss are any good?</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Must
            be something
            else in line under the dash,</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Thanks
            Steve,</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Bob
            Begani</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></p>
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          <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
            1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in 0in;">
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> BJ8Healeys
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com";>&lt;sbyers@ec.rr.com&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 10, 2022 2:15 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com";>rfbegani@gmail.com</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> RE: [Healeys] BJ8 electrical problems</p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">The cutoff
            switch
            in the boot shorting out?</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Something
            similar
            happened to me when I was 3000 miles from home. 
            Fortunately,
            the first time was temporary and I got home again before it
            happened the next time.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Steve
            Byers</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">BJ8
            Registry</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">AHCA Delegate
            at
            Large</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Havelock, NC 
            USA</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
        <div>
          <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
            1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in 0in;">
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 
sans-serif;">From:</span></b>
              <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,
                sans-serif;">Healeys
                [<a 
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of</b> Bob Begani via Healeys<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 10, 2022 1:16 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a 
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] BJ8 electrical problems</span></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">My
            high torque
            starter stopped operating. Determined it is the solenoid, so
            I will
            be removing it the starter for a bench test.  Meanwhile, we
            discovered an interesting electrical situation.  When trying
            to start the car the starter would short out and the
            electrical
            system would completely shut down.  In checking the battery
            connection, it was discovered disconnecting and reconnecting
            the
            ground from the battery the electrical system became live. 
            There must be a GFI type of device in the wires to and from
            the
            ignition switch.  I doubt it was installed at the factory,
            maybe by the restorer?  What am I looking for under the
            dash?  It is a great idea, however I want to know what is it
            and where it is located.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Bob
            Begani</span></p>
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