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To: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Late Monday night rant.
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have them on my BJ8 for years--never a problem. =20
----- Original Message -----
From: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
To: healeys@autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 16:45:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Late Monday night rant.

The Fiamm compressor (at least the period one like Road Master,
 Mercury or serie 2000) draws about 20/25A, about the same as two
 Lucas electric ones if they are the big ones. The later smaller
 H&L ones use quite a bit less.The Fiamm horns sound and look very nice tho=
ugh. They do need
 maintainance though. A few drops of light oil every month.Kees Oudesluijs

Op 20-1-2021 om 20:14 schreef Michael
 Oritt:
A pair of FIAMM
 or equivalent air horns and the compressor for same fits
 nicely onto the front face of the passenger toe box of my 100,
 produces a loud and pleasant signal and consumes very little
 power.
Best--Michael
 Oritt
On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 7:44
 AM Chris Dimmock <austin.healey@gmail.com>
 wrote:
Lucas horns are the crowns of the prince of
 darkness. I love most Lucas stuff. Except Lucas Horns. Devils stuff. The L=
ucas horn in my A40 Farina weighs 2.5
 Kg. Waste of everything=20


On 20 Jan 2021, at 5:02 pm, Bob
 Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
 wrote:

=EF=BB=BF Man, those horns take a lot of juice.
 That's about the total output--25A, give or take--of a
 stock generator (maybe less at idle).


 Anybody ever laid on the horns with the lights on?=20



On 1/19/2021 7:53 PM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE wrote:

 The Brown/Green wire is the power supply for the
 horn. The brown wire is connected to an unswitched
 power source, the A contact on the regulator.

 The wires are correct as is the 50 amp Lucas slow
 blow fuse. Ref: AH 100 Service Manual.

 Bill Lawrence
 BN1 #554From:
 Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net>
 on behalf of Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 5:51 PM
To: john harper <ah100tech@gmail.com>
Cc: Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Late Monday night
 rant. Nope. All wires were otherwise accounted-for; two
 were 'cross-colored.' The harness was brand new; I
 don't know of any that supply extra wiring for
 separate turn signals, but I haven't looked (would
 be a good idea, though).

bs

On 1/19/2021 9:05 AM, john harper wrote:
Bob
Could it be a wrong wire or an additional
 one?
I and many others in the UK feel that with
 just two red lights coming on is very
 confusing particularly as one enters a corner
 and brakes. This confusing array is therefore
 dangerous. In the UK amber turn lights have
 been mandatory for many years. Younger drivers
 would not understand anything but amber.
The mod we make for the back of the car is
 to add amber lights connected on the existing
 wires but connect both red stoplights to this
 additional wire. At the relay box, all is
 needed is one wire being redirected to the new
 wire.
On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 16:10, Bob
 Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
 wrote:
Michael,


 I feel your pain. My dad got a new harness
 for our BN2 (probably from Moss). I thought
 the harness was good quality overall, and
 everything worked except the turn signals. I
 spent 3 days double-checking everything; we
 went so far as to open the relay box, but
 everything looked good in there. I
 eventually discovered the wiring to one of
 the rear brake/turn lights was mis-colored.
 This really pissed me off, as I'd wired a
 bare chassis just from the schematic and it
 would have been 100% correct if not for the
 misidentified wire. I'll probably never sell
 the car, but whoever ends up with it will be
 confused, as a couple of wires are
 interchanged from the schematic. Come to
 think of it, I should probably label the
 flaw ... as soon as I finish all the other
 stuff needs fixin'.


 Bob

On 1/18/2021 11:38 PM, Michael MacLean
 wrote:
Was in the engine bay
 doing some preliminary wiring of
 components tonight.  Specifically, the
 fuse block and the voltage regulator.=20
 Looking at a wiring diagram, the way
 you see in the two pictures is mostly
 correct, but look at what the arrows
 are pointing at.  At the point in the
 harness where the wires come out of
 the loom for the fuse block, you can
 see on the right hand side the arrow
 is pointing to a brown wire with a
 green stripe.  Good so far.  Now look
 what the arrow is pointing at on the
 other side of the fuse block.  It's a
 large solid brown wire.  Now in the
 wiring diagram this brown wire is
 supposed to be a continuation of the
 brown with a green stripe wire.  That
 brown wire with the green strip that
 was supposed to be there goes to the
 "A" connection of the voltage
 regulator.  Now look at the picture of
 the voltage regulator and notice what
 the orange arrow is pointing at. It is
 the other end of the plain, large
 brown wire!  The electrical
 connections are correct.  The color
 coding of the harness is not.  I have
 just started wiring.  What else might
 I find in the rest of the harness?=20
 This harness was a gift from my late
 friend Tom Rocke.  It was one of many
 free parts he supplied for this
 rebuild.  Don't know if I should
 complain about a free harness.Mike MacLean




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<html><head><style> body {height: 100%; color:#000000; font-size:12pt; font=
-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;}</style></head><body><div>have them o=
n my BJ8 for years--never a problem.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>-=
---- Original Message -----<br>From: Kees Oudesluijs &lt;coudesluijs@chello=
.nl&gt;<br>To: healeys@autox.team.net<br>Sent: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 16:45:04 -0=
500 (EST)<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Late Monday night rant.<br></div><div><=
br></div><p>The Fiamm compressor (at least the period one like Road Master,=
<br> Mercury or serie 2000) draws about 20/25A, about the same as two<br> L=
ucas electric ones if they are the big ones. The later smaller<br> H&amp;L =
ones use quite a bit less.</p><p>The Fiamm horns sound and look very nice t=
hough. They do need<br> maintainance though. A few drops of light oil every=
 month.</p><p>Kees Oudesluijs</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><div class=3D"moz-ci=
te-prefix">Op 20-1-2021 om 20:14 schreef Michael<br> Oritt:<br></div><block=
quote cite=3D"mid:CAPTa0B56dMP7sok7W1c-dB2jgijb8BHHOzgRjs+qA-=3DMqG_N-Q@mai=
l.gmail.com"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color: =
#3333ff;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #3333ff;">A pair of FIAMM<br> or equival=
ent air horns and the compressor for same fits<br> nicely onto the front&nb=
sp;face of the passenger toe box of&nbsp;my 100,<br> produces a loud and pl=
easant signal and consumes very little<br> power.</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"color: #3333ff;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #3333ff;"><br><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color: #3333ff;" data-mce-style=
=3D"color: #3333ff;">Best--Michael<br> Oritt</div></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 7=
:44<br> AM Chris Dimmock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:austin.healey@gmail.com"; tar=
get=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:austin.healey@gmail.com";>austin.heal=
ey@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px<br>          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cc=
cccc; padding-left: 1ex;" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px<br>        =
  0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"au=
to"><div dir=3D"ltr">Lucas horns are the crowns of the prince of<br> darkne=
ss.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">I love most Lucas stuff.&nbsp;</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">Except Lucas Horns.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Devils stuff.&nbs=
p;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">The Lucas horn in my A40 Farina weighs 2.5<br> Kg.=
&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Waste of everything&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote>On =
20 Jan 2021, at 5:02 pm, Bob<br> Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@com=
cast.net" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>b=
spidell@comcast.net</a>&gt;<br> wrote:<br><div><br></div></blockquote></div=
><blockquote><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF Man, those horns take a lot of juic=
e.<br> That's about the total output--25A, give or take--of a<br> stock gen=
erator (maybe less at idle).<br><div><br></div><br> Anybody ever laid on th=
e horns with the lights on? <br><div><br></div><br><div><br></div><div>On 1=
/19/2021 7:53 PM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE wrote:<br></div><blockquote><div style=
=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000=
000;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-siz=
e: 12pt; color: #000000;"><br> The Brown/Green wire is the power supply for=
 the<br> horn. The brown wire is connected to an unswitched<br> power sourc=
e, the A contact on the regulator.</div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri,=
Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;" data-mce-style=3D"f=
ont-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;"=
><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-si=
ze: 12pt; color: #000000;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica=
,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;"><br> The wires are correct a=
s is the 50 amp Lucas slow<br> blow fuse. Ref: AH 100 Service Manual.</div>=
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: #000000;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: Ca=
libri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;" data-mce-styl=
e=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #00=
0000;"><br> Bill Lawrence</div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica=
,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;" data-mce-style=3D"font-famil=
y: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;"><br> BN1=
 #554</div><hr style=3D"display: inline-block; width: 98%;" data-mce-style=
=3D"display: inline-block; width: 98%;"><div id=3D"gmail-m_-822666100117732=
6256divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><span data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 11pt; col=
or: #000000; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; c=
olor: #000000; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" face=3D"Calibri, sans-ser=
if" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b><br> Healeys <a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bo=
unces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:healeys-bou=
nces@autox.team.net">&lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br> on beha=
lf of Bob Spidell <a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
 data-mce-href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>&lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;=
</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 19, 2021 5:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> john h=
arper <a href=3D"mailto:ah100tech@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" data-mce-hre=
f=3D"mailto:ah100tech@gmail.com";>&lt;ah100tech@gmail.com&gt;</a><br><b>Cc:<=
/b> Healeys <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" dat=
a-mce-href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;=
</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Late Monday night<br> rant.</span><di=
v>&nbsp;</div></div><div>Nope. All wires were otherwise accounted-for; two<=
br> were 'cross-colored.' The harness was brand new; I<br> don't know of an=
y that supply extra wiring for<br> separate turn signals, but I haven't loo=
ked (would<br> be a good idea, though).<br><div><br></div>bs<br><div><br></=
div><div>On 1/19/2021 9:05 AM, john harper wrote:<br></div><blockquote><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">Bob<br><div>Could it be a wrong wire or an additional<br> one?=
</div><div><br></div><div>I and many others in the UK feel that with<br> ju=
st two red lights coming on is very<br> confusing particularly as one enter=
s a corner<br> and brakes. This confusing&nbsp;array is therefore<br> dange=
rous. In the UK amber turn&nbsp;lights have<br> been mandatory for many yea=
rs. Younger drivers<br> would&nbsp;not understand&nbsp;anything but amber.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>The mod we make for the back of the car is<br> to =
add amber lights connected on the existing<br> wires but connect both red s=
toplights to this<br> additional wire. At the relay box, all is<br> needed =
is one wire being redirected to the new<br> wire.</div></div><br><div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 16:10, Bob<br> Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:bspidell@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:bspide=
ll@comcast.net">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt;<br> wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px<br>                          0.8ex; border-l=
eft: 1px solid<br>                          #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;" da=
ta-mce-style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px<br>                          0.8ex; bor=
der-left: 1px solid<br>                          #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex=
;"><div>Michael,<br><div><br></div><br> I feel your pain. My dad got a new =
harness<br> for our BN2 (probably from Moss). I thought<br> the harness was=
 good quality overall, and<br> everything worked except the turn signals. I=
<br> spent 3 days double-checking everything; we<br> went so far as to open=
 the relay box, but<br> everything looked good in there. I<br> eventually d=
iscovered the wiring to one of<br> the rear brake/turn lights was mis-color=
ed.<br> This really pissed me off, as I'd wired a<br> bare chassis just fro=
m the schematic and it<br> would have been 100% correct if not for the<br> =
misidentified wire. I'll probably never sell<br> the car, but whoever ends =
up with it will be<br> confused, as a couple of wires are<br> interchanged =
from the schematic. Come to<br> think of it, I should probably label the<br=
> flaw ... as soon as I finish all the other<br> stuff needs fixin'.<br><di=
v><br></div><br> Bob<br><div><br></div><div>On 1/18/2021 11:38 PM, Michael =
MacLean<br> wrote:<br></div><blockquote><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Was in the en=
gine bay<br> doing some preliminary wiring of<br> components tonight.&nbsp;=
 Specifically, the<br> fuse block and the voltage regulator.&nbsp;<br> Look=
ing at a wiring diagram, the way<br> you see in the two pictures is mostly<=
br> correct, but look at what the arrows<br> are pointing at.&nbsp; At the =
point in the<br> harness where the wires come out of<br> the loom for the f=
use block, you can<br> see on the right hand side the arrow<br> is pointing=
 to a brown wire with a<br> green stripe.&nbsp; Good so far.&nbsp; Now look=
<br> what the arrow is pointing at on the<br> other side of the fuse block.=
&nbsp; It's a<br> large solid brown wire.&nbsp; Now in the<br> wiring diagr=
am this brown wire is<br> supposed to be a continuation of the<br> brown wi=
th a green stripe wire.&nbsp; That<br> brown wire with the green strip that=
<br> was supposed to be there goes to the<br> "A" connection of the voltage=
<br> regulator.&nbsp; Now look at the picture of<br> the voltage regulator =
and notice what<br> the orange arrow is pointing at. It is<br> the other en=
d of the plain, large<br> brown wire!&nbsp; The electrical<br> connections =
are correct.&nbsp; The color<br> coding of the harness is not.&nbsp; I have=
<br> just started wiring.&nbsp; What else might<br> I find in the rest of t=
he harness?&nbsp;<br> This harness was a gift from my late<br> friend Tom R=
ocke.&nbsp; It was one of many<br> free parts he supplied for this<br> rebu=
ild.&nbsp; Don't know if I should<br> complain about a free harness.</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">Mike MacLean<br></div></div><br></blockquote><br></div><br>=
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