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To: "'Jean Caron'" <vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com>, "'Bob Spidell'" <bspidell@comcast.net>, <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet
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Naturally occurring asbestos is all over the place between Henderson and
Boulder City, and was a concern when they recently built the Boulder City
bypass.

 

https://www.enr.com/articles/42221-natural-asbestos-tamed-on-interstate-proj
ect?v=preview

 

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jean Caron
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 12:57 PM
To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>; healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet

 

There is a small city in Quebec called Asbestos and they used to have an
open mine there, not closed. You can see it on Google map, it is located
south east of Montreal.

 

Jean

 

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Sent: January 14, 2021 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet

 

Steve McQueen (the actor) died of mesothelioma. Urban legend says he
contracted it from working in a brake shop--Healey content: I believe he
campaigned a Sprite for a while--but it's more likely he got it in the Navy.
True to character, he was a 'bad boy' and for punishment was assigned to
clean up parts of the ships that were insulated with asbestos. It wasn't an
intentional death sentence; it was before the dangers of asbestos were
widely known.

I caught a news item years ago about a city in Russia that got its entire
revenue from a nearby asbestos mine. The city is mostly abandoned now, for
good reason, but a few stragglers stuck aroun. One was an octogenarian who
had worked in the mine most of his life but never got sick from it. Do they
have lotteries in Russia? If so, he should buy a ticket.

wrote:

I believe it is a bit more than just "dust" as if you were cutting it.
Asbestos is fiberous and the fibres are composed of microscopic components
that will shed with any abrasion, even simple handling.  The microscopic
fibrils become airborne and are easily inhaled.  They can also adhere to
your skin and clothing and be transferred later, after the job is finished.
I am no expert, but suspect a short, once-in-a-lifetime exposure are
probably not a risk, but why take even a small risk when exposure is easily
prevented.

 

What worries me is when I look back to when I was a kid working in a gas
station in the 60s and when the mechanics did a brake job, the first thing
they did after removing the brake drums was take an air hose and blow the
brake dust off the shoes and backing plate etc.  Of course brake material
had asbestos fibres in it back then and these clouds of black
asbestos-filled dust would fill the shop for us all to enjoy.

 

Cheers, Mirek

 

<healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jean Caron
Sent: January 14, 2021 11:16 AM
To: simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
Subject: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet

 

I have always been told that it is the dust of asbestos that is dangerous,
not the board itself. I recall many years ago helping a friend with these on
his Austin-Healey and he was totally afraid of even removing these panels,
he was wearing a mask, and then a shield and gloves, that's even before they
had these "hazmat" suits. Meanwhile he smoked a pack to a pack and half of
cigarettes daily which eventually and unfortunately took his life.

 

Jean 

 

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From: simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
Sent: January 14, 2021 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet

 

Thank you to everyone regarding the sheet. 
I gave it a gentle pry, per Perry's advice, and then one rather less gentle.
It just popped off. Intact and without cracking or breaking. 
I wonder if it is asbestos. It looked to be in really good condition, but it
was there when I bought the car back in '96.
Anyhow, I was able to easily put the slide's 3 T-nuts in and reinstall the
sheet. All suitably masked of course.
Simon

-----Original Message-----
Sent: 11 January 2021 19:11
To: simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
Subject: asbestos lookalike insulation sheet

Simon
Notice the square blocks attached to the big sheet. They have been known to
bond themselves to the bottom of the floor pan. Gentle pry them loose. 
Perry

 

 


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vlink=3D"#954F72" style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Naturally occurring asbestos =
is all over the place between Henderson and Boulder City, and was a =
concern when they recently built the Boulder City =
bypass.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>https://www.enr.com/articles/42221-natural-asbestos-tam=
ed-on-interstate-project?v=3Dpreview<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Healeys =
&lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jean =
Caron<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 14, 2021 12:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Bob Spidell &lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;; =
healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] asbestos =
lookalike insulation sheet<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>There is a small city in Quebec called Asbestos and they =
used to have an open mine there, not closed. You can see it on Google =
map, it is located south east of Montreal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>Jean<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>Sent from <a =
href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986";>Mail</a> for =
Windows 10<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-CA>From: =
</span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA><a =
href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>Bob Spidell</a><br><b>Sent: =
</b>January 14, 2021 12:02 PM<br><b>To: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>S=
ubject: </b>Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation =
sheet<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-CA>Steve McQueen (the =
actor) died of mesothelioma. Urban legend says he contracted it from =
working in a brake shop--Healey content: I believe he campaigned a =
Sprite for a while--but it's more likely he got it in the Navy. True to =
character, he was a 'bad boy' and for punishment was assigned to clean =
up parts of the ships that were insulated with asbestos. It wasn't an =
intentional death sentence; it was before the dangers of asbestos were =
widely known.<br><br>I caught a news item years ago about a city in =
Russia that got its entire revenue from a nearby asbestos mine. The city =
is mostly abandoned now, for good reason, but a few stragglers stuck =
aroun. One was an octogenarian who had worked in the mine most of his =
life but never got sick from it. Do they have lotteries in Russia? If =
so, he should buy a ticket.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>On 1/14/2021 8:42 AM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca";>m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>I believe it is a bit more than =
just &#8220;dust&#8221; as if you were cutting it.&nbsp; Asbestos is =
fiberous and the fibres are composed of microscopic components that will =
shed with any abrasion, even simple handling.&nbsp; The microscopic =
fibrils become airborne and are easily inhaled.&nbsp; They can also =
adhere to your skin and clothing and be transferred later, after the job =
is finished.&nbsp; I am no expert, but suspect a short, =
once-in-a-lifetime exposure are probably not a risk, but why take even a =
small risk when exposure is easily prevented.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>What worries me is when I look back =
to when I was a kid working in a gas station in the 60s and when the =
mechanics did a brake job, the first thing they did after removing the =
brake drums was take an air hose and blow the brake dust off the shoes =
and backing plate etc.&nbsp; Of course brake material had asbestos =
fibres in it back then and these clouds of black asbestos-filled dust =
would fill the shop for us all to enjoy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>Cheers, =
Mirek<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Healeys <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>&lt;healeys-bounces@autox.=
team.net&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jean Caron<br><b>Sent:</b> January =
14, 2021 11:16 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";>simon.lachlan@alexareve=
l.plus.com</a>; 'Perry Small' <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com";>&lt;healeyguy@aol.com&gt;</a><br><b>Cc:=
</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>S=
ubject:</b> Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet<span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>I have always been told that it is =
the dust of asbestos that is dangerous, not the board itself. I recall =
many years ago helping a friend with these on his Austin-Healey and he =
was totally afraid of even removing these panels, he was wearing a mask, =
and then a shield and gloves, that&#8217;s even before they had these =
&#8220;hazmat&#8221; suits. Meanwhile he smoked a pack to a pack and =
half of cigarettes daily which eventually and unfortunately took his =
life.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Jean <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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</span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA><a =
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l.plus.com</a><br><b>Sent: </b>January 14, 2021 8:47 AM<br><b>To: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com";>'Perry Small'</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>S=
ubject: </b>Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation =
sheet<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-CA>Thank you to everyone =
regarding the sheet. <br>I gave it a gentle pry, per Perry's advice, and =
then one rather less gentle.<br>It just popped off. Intact and without =
cracking or breaking. <br>I wonder if it is asbestos. It looked to be in =
really good condition, but it<br>was there when I bought the car back in =
'96.<br>Anyhow, I was able to easily put the slide's 3 T-nuts in and =
reinstall the<br>sheet. All suitably masked of =
course.<br>Simon<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Perry Small =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com";>healeyguy@aol.com</a>&gt; =
<br>Sent: 11 January 2021 19:11<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";>simon.lachlan@alexareve=
l.plus.com</a><br>Cc: <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>Subj=
ect: asbestos lookalike insulation sheet<br><br>Simon<br>Notice the =
square blocks attached to the big sheet. They have been known to<br>bond =
themselves to the bottom of the floor pan. Gentle pry them loose. =
<br>Perry<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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