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To: Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet
From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 18:20:26 -0500
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I believe that I  recently read that Asbestos recently was contemplating
having a name change.

M

On Thu., Jan. 14, 2021, 4:02 p.m. Jean Caron, <
vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com> wrote:

> There is a small city in Quebec called Asbestos and they used to have an
> open mine there, not closed. You can see it on Google map, it is located
> south east of Montreal.
>
>
>
> Jean
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
> *Sent: *January 14, 2021 12:02 PM
> *To: *healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet
>
>
>
> Steve McQueen (the actor) died of mesothelioma. Urban legend says he
> contracted it from working in a brake shop--Healey content: I believe he
> campaigned a Sprite for a while--but it's more likely he got it in the
> Navy. True to character, he was a 'bad boy' and for punishment was assign=
ed
> to clean up parts of the ships that were insulated with asbestos. It wasn=
't
> an intentional death sentence; it was before the dangers of asbestos were
> widely known.
>
> I caught a news item years ago about a city in Russia that got its entire
> revenue from a nearby asbestos mine. The city is mostly abandoned now, fo=
r
> good reason, but a few stragglers stuck aroun. One was an octogenarian wh=
o
> had worked in the mine most of his life but never got sick from it. Do th=
ey
> have lotteries in Russia? If so, he should buy a ticket.
>
> On 1/14/2021 8:42 AM, m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca wrote:
>
> I believe it is a bit more than just =E2=80=9Cdust=E2=80=9D as if you wer=
e cutting it.
> Asbestos is fiberous and the fibres are composed of microscopic component=
s
> that will shed with any abrasion, even simple handling.  The microscopic
> fibrils become airborne and are easily inhaled.  They can also adhere to
> your skin and clothing and be transferred later, after the job is
> finished.  I am no expert, but suspect a short, once-in-a-lifetime exposu=
re
> are probably not a risk, but why take even a small risk when exposure is
> easily prevented.
>
>
>
> What worries me is when I look back to when I was a kid working in a gas
> station in the 60s and when the mechanics did a brake job, the first thin=
g
> they did after removing the brake drums was take an air hose and blow the
> brake dust off the shoes and backing plate etc.  Of course brake material
> had asbestos fibres in it back then and these clouds of black
> asbestos-filled dust would fill the shop for us all to enjoy.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Mirek
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net>
> <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Jean Caron
> *Sent:* January 14, 2021 11:16 AM
> *To:* simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com; 'Perry Small' <healeyguy@aol.com=
>
> <healeyguy@aol.com>
> *Cc:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet
>
>
>
> I have always been told that it is the dust of asbestos that is dangerous=
,
> not the board itself. I recall many years ago helping a friend with these
> on his Austin-Healey and he was totally afraid of even removing these
> panels, he was wearing a mask, and then a shield and gloves, that=E2=80=
=99s even
> before they had these =E2=80=9Chazmat=E2=80=9D suits. Meanwhile he smoked=
 a pack to a pack
> and half of cigarettes daily which eventually and unfortunately took his
> life.
>
>
>
> Jean
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgo.mi=
crosoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=3D04%7C01%7C%7C34c33c669e364=
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> for Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
> *Sent: *January 14, 2021 8:47 AM
> *To: *'Perry Small' <healeyguy@aol.com>
> *Cc: *healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet
>
>
>
> Thank you to everyone regarding the sheet.
> I gave it a gentle pry, per Perry's advice, and then one rather less
> gentle.
> It just popped off. Intact and without cracking or breaking.
> I wonder if it is asbestos. It looked to be in really good condition, but
> it
> was there when I bought the car back in '96.
> Anyhow, I was able to easily put the slide's 3 T-nuts in and reinstall th=
e
> sheet. All suitably masked of course.
> Simon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Perry Small <healeyguy@aol.com>
> Sent: 11 January 2021 19:11
> To: simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
> Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
> Subject: asbestos lookalike insulation sheet
>
> Simon
> Notice the square blocks attached to the big sheet. They have been known =
to
> bond themselves to the bottom of the floor pan. Gentle pry them loose.
> Perry
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">I believe that I=C2=A0 recently read that Asbestos recent=
ly was contemplating having a name change.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu., Jan. 14, 2021, 4:02 p.m. Jean Caron, &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com";>vintage_roadster_res=
toration@hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>





<div lang=3D"EN-CA" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"#954F72">
<div class=3D"m_-6312787974857892271WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">There is a small city in Quebec called Asbestos and =
they used to have an open mine there, not closed. You can see it on Google =
map, it is located south east of Montreal.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jean</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink=
/?LinkId=3D550986" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">
Mail</a> for Windows 10</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0cm"><b>From: </b><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Bob=
 Spidell</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>January 14, 2021 12:02 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Steve McQueen (the ac=
tor) died of mesothelioma. Urban legend says he contracted it from working =
in a brake shop--Healey content: I believe he campaigned a Sprite for a whi=
le--but it&#39;s more likely he got it in
 the Navy. True to character, he was a &#39;bad boy&#39; and for punishment=
 was assigned to clean up parts of the ships that were insulated with asbes=
tos. It wasn&#39;t an intentional death sentence; it was before the dangers=
 of asbestos were widely known.<br>
<br>
I caught a news item years ago about a city in Russia that got its entire r=
evenue from a nearby asbestos mine. The city is mostly abandoned now, for g=
ood reason, but a few stragglers stuck aroun. One was an octogenarian who h=
ad worked in the mine most of his
 life but never got sick from it. Do they have lotteries in Russia? If so, =
he should buy a ticket.<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 1/14/2021 8:42 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:m.g.sharp@sy=
mpatico.ca" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">
m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>I believe it is a bit more than just =E2=80=9C=
dust=E2=80=9D as if you were cutting it.=C2=A0 Asbestos is fiberous and the=
 fibres are composed of microscopic components that will shed with any abra=
sion, even simple handling.=C2=A0
 The microscopic fibrils become airborne and are easily inhaled.=C2=A0 They=
 can also adhere to your skin and clothing and be transferred later, after =
the job is finished.=C2=A0 I am no expert, but suspect a short, once-in-a-l=
ifetime exposure are probably not a risk,
 but why take even a small risk when exposure is easily prevented.</span><u=
></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>What worries me is when I look back to when I =
was a kid working in a gas station in the 60s and when the mechanics did a =
brake job, the first thing they did after removing the brake drums was take
 an air hose and blow the brake dust off the shoes and backing plate etc.=
=C2=A0 Of course brake material had asbestos fibres in it back then and the=
se clouds of black asbestos-filled dust would fill the shop for us all to e=
njoy.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Cheers, Mirek</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Healeys
<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"=
noreferrer">&lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jean Caron<br>
<b>Sent:</b> January 14, 2021 11:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com"; target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>; &#39;Perry=
 Small&#39;
<a href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">&=
lt;healeyguy@aol.com&gt;</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet</span><u>=
</u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have always been told that it is the dust of asbes=
tos that is dangerous, not the board itself. I recall many years ago helpin=
g a friend with these on his Austin-Healey and he was totally afraid of eve=
n removing these panels, he was wearing
 a mask, and then a shield and gloves, that=E2=80=99s even before they had =
these =E2=80=9Chazmat=E2=80=9D suits. Meanwhile he smoked a pack to a pack =
and half of cigarettes daily which eventually and unfortunately took his li=
fe.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jean <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://na01.safelinks.protecti=
on.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexare=
vel.plus.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">simon.lachlan@alexarevel=
.plus.com</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>January 14, 2021 8:47 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"no=
referrer">&#39;Perry Small&#39;</a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet<u></u><u>=
</u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thank you to everyone=
 regarding the sheet.
<br>
I gave it a gentle pry, per Perry&#39;s advice, and then one rather less ge=
ntle.<br>
It just popped off. Intact and without cracking or breaking. <br>
I wonder if it is asbestos. It looked to be in really good condition, but i=
t<br>
was there when I bought the car back in &#39;96.<br>
Anyhow, I was able to easily put the slide&#39;s 3 T-nuts in and reinstall =
the<br>
sheet. All suitably masked of course.<br>
Simon<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Perry Small &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank=
" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeyguy@aol.com</a>&gt; <br>
Sent: 11 January 2021 19:11<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com"; target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a><br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
Subject: asbestos lookalike insulation sheet<br>
<br>
Simon<br>
Notice the square blocks attached to the big sheet. They have been known to=
<br>
bond themselves to the bottom of the floor pan. Gentle pry them loose. <br>
Perry<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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