Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet

[Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com>]

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Back in the 60's and 70's when I was a Merchant marine ship officer we woul=
d load bulk and bagged asbestos in east Africa and discharge in ports on th=
e US gulf ports; dust everywhere, etc. Some longshoremen wore handkerchiefs=
 over their faces but not much; When done we'd go sweep the bottom of the h=
atch and load whatever on top for export. Knock on wood ( I think), my expo=
sure to asbestos, fiberglass dust, mahogany dust, agent orange in Viet Nam,=
 etc. hasn't hit me yet. But I do wear masks now for paint, Covid, sanding =
wood and fiberglass etc but no white suits so far.

Regards,
Richard C

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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of simon.lachlan@a=
lexarevel.plus.com <simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 2:03 PM
Cc: 'Healeys' <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet


When I was a student, various of my friends had Healeys, TRs and similar. A=
lso an E-Type which proved to be lethal. I wanted a Healey. At about the sa=
me time, my father made me an offer. Same offer I made to my kids=85 =93If =
you want a car, get a job and earn some money. I=92ll match whatever you ea=
rn and you=92ll be able to get something half way decent.=94

I replied that I wanted an AH3000 to which he, quite sensibly, said, =93OK.=
 You=92re on your own=94.

We lived in Surrey so not many places where a student could make any seriou=
s money. =93Temple Tubes=94 was the top choice. Manufacturer of sewage pipe=
s to the gentry! Basically, they took old paper and minced it into a pulp w=
ith water and the magic ingredient. The pulp was then rolled out on to 8 ft=
 rollers which were dried in a long oven and then soaked in boiling pitch. =
The magic ingredient was, as you=92ve guessed, asbestos powder. Students we=
re often given the bum jobs and one of my tasks was to unload the 100lb pap=
er sacks of asbestos powder from trucks onto a kind of mezzanine above the =
mixer. The stuff came, I think, from Canada and was in a shocking condition=
. Bags all split and powder everywhere. Masks? Gloves? You jest.

There was some consciousness that asbestos was =93a bad thing=94 but we gat=
hered that our stuff was =93Blue=94, which was OK, not =93White=94 which wa=
s not OK. Or was it the other way round? Anyhow, wish me luck!

Oh, and I did get my 3000. =A3400:00 if I remember it right. It was a MkII =
BT7, sideshift. Colarado Red. Lousy gearbox, rotten interior. But I loved i=
t. It didn=92t appear to be a mutual love affair. It caught fire as I was d=
riving onto the Holyhead to Dublin ferry. And a rear wire wheel collapsed b=
ig time whilst cornering too fast.

As to Steve McQueen, I recall various RN warships of the era, asbestos lagg=
ing everywhere. I recall Dad saying that the ships galleys ran on =93super-=
heated steam=94 from the engine room. Which is why they had cold food when =
closed down on action stations. Rather them than me.

Simon



From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob Spidell
Sent: 14 January 2021 17:45
To: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet



Steve McQueen (the actor) died of mesothelioma. Urban legend says he contra=
cted it from working in a brake shop--Healey content: I believe he campaign=
ed a Sprite for a while--but it's more likely he got it in the Navy. True t=
o character, he was a 'bad boy' and for punishment was assigned to clean up=
 parts of the ships that were insulated with asbestos. It wasn't an intenti=
onal death sentence; it was before the dangers of asbestos were widely know=
n.

I caught a news item years ago about a city in Russia that got its entire r=
evenue from a nearby asbestos mine. The city is mostly abandoned now, for g=
ood reason, but a few stragglers stuck aroun. One was an octogenarian who h=
ad worked in the mine most of his life but never got sick from it. Do they =
have lotteries in Russia? If so, he should buy a ticket.


 wrote:

I believe it is a bit more than just =93dust=94 as if you were cutting it. =
 Asbestos is fiberous and the fibres are composed of microscopic components=
 that will shed with any abrasion, even simple handling.  The microscopic f=
ibrils become airborne and are easily inhaled.  They can also adhere to you=
r skin and clothing and be transferred later, after the job is finished.  I=
 am no expert, but suspect a short, once-in-a-lifetime exposure are probabl=
y not a risk, but why take even a small risk when exposure is easily preven=
ted.



What worries me is when I look back to when I was a kid working in a gas st=
ation in the 60s and when the mechanics did a brake job, the first thing th=
ey did after removing the brake drums was take an air hose and blow the bra=
ke dust off the shoes and backing plate etc.  Of course brake material had =
asbestos fibres in it back then and these clouds of black asbestos-filled d=
ust would fill the shop for us all to enjoy.



Cheers, Mirek



.team.net> On Behalf Of Jean Caron
Sent: January 14, 2021 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet



I have always been told that it is the dust of asbestos that is dangerous, =
not the board itself. I recall many years ago helping a friend with these o=
n his Austin-Healey and he was totally afraid of even removing these panels=
, he was wearing a mask, and then a shield and gloves, that=92s even before=
 they had these =93hazmat=94 suits. Meanwhile he smoked a pack to a pack an=
d half of cigarettes daily which eventually and unfortunately took his life=
.



Jean



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Thank you to everyone regarding the sheet.
I gave it a gentle pry, per Perry's advice, and then one rather less gentle=
.
It just popped off. Intact and without cracking or breaking.
I wonder if it is asbestos. It looked to be in really good condition, but i=
t
was there when I bought the car back in '96.
Anyhow, I was able to easily put the slide's 3 T-nuts in and reinstall the
sheet. All suitably masked of course.
Simon

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com>
Subject: asbestos lookalike insulation sheet

Simon
Notice the square blocks attached to the big sheet. They have been known to
bond themselves to the bottom of the floor pan. Gentle pry them loose.
Perry




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Back in the 60's and 70's when I was a Merchant marine ship officer we woul=
d load bulk and bagged asbestos in east Africa and discharge in ports on th=
e US gulf ports; dust everywhere, etc. Some longshoremen wore handkerchiefs=
 over their faces but not much;
 When done we'd go sweep the bottom of the hatch and load whatever on top f=
or export. Knock on wood ( I think), my exposure to asbestos, fiberglass du=
st, mahogany dust, agent orange in Viet Nam, etc. hasn't hit me yet. But I =
do wear masks now for paint, Covid,
 sanding wood and fiberglass etc but no white suits so far.</div>
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lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;healeys-b=
ounces@autox.team.net&gt; on behalf of simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com &l=
t;simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 14, 2021 2:03 PM<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Healeys' &lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
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: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"">When I was a student, various of my friends had Healeys, T=
Rs and similar. Also an E-Type which proved to be lethal. I wanted a Healey=
. At about the same time, my father made me an offer. Same offer I made to =
my kids=85 =93If you want a car, get a
 job and earn some money. I=92ll match whatever you earn and you=92ll be ab=
le to get something half way decent.=94
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family=
: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"">I replied that I wanted an AH3000 to which he, quite sensi=
bly, said, =93OK. You=92re on your own=94.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family=
: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"">We lived in Surrey so not many places where a student coul=
d make any serious money. =93Temple Tubes=94 was the top choice. Manufactur=
er of sewage pipes to the gentry! Basically, they took old paper and minced=
 it into a pulp with water and the magic
 ingredient. The pulp was then rolled out on to 8 ft rollers which were dri=
ed in a long oven and then soaked in boiling pitch. The magic ingredient wa=
s, as you=92ve guessed, asbestos powder. Students were often given the bum =
jobs and one of my tasks was to unload
 the 100lb paper sacks of asbestos powder from trucks onto a kind of mezzan=
ine above the mixer. The stuff came, I think, from Canada and was in a shoc=
king condition. Bags all split and powder everywhere. Masks? Gloves? You je=
st.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family=
: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"">There was some consciousness that asbestos was =93a bad th=
ing=94 but we gathered that our stuff was =93Blue=94, which was OK, not =93=
White=94 which was not OK. Or was it the other way round? Anyhow, wish me l=
uck!</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family=
: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"">Oh, and I did get my 3000. =A3400:00 if I remember it righ=
t. It was a MkII BT7, sideshift. Colarado Red. Lousy gearbox, rotten interi=
or. But I loved it. It didn=92t appear to be a mutual love affair. It caugh=
t fire as I was driving onto the Holyhead
 to Dublin ferry. And a rear wire wheel collapsed big time whilst cornering=
 too fast.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family=
: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"">As to Steve McQueen, I recall various RN warships of the e=
ra, asbestos lagging everywhere. I recall Dad saying that the ships galleys=
 ran on =93super-heated steam=94 from the engine room. Which is why they ha=
d cold food when closed down on action
 stations. Rather them than me.</span></p>
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: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"">Simon</span></p>
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<span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys &lt;h=
ealeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Spidell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 14 January 2021 17:45<br>
<b>To:</b> healeys@autox.team.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet</span></p=
>
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&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family=
: Calibri, sans-serif;margin-bottom:12.0pt">
Steve McQueen (the actor) died of mesothelioma. Urban legend says he contra=
cted it from working in a brake shop--Healey content: I believe he campaign=
ed a Sprite for a while--but it's more likely he got it in the Navy. True t=
o character, he was a 'bad boy'
 and for punishment was assigned to clean up parts of the ships that were i=
nsulated with asbestos. It wasn't an intentional death sentence; it was bef=
ore the dangers of asbestos were widely known.<br>
<br>
I caught a news item years ago about a city in Russia that got its entire r=
evenue from a nearby asbestos mine. The city is mostly abandoned now, for g=
ood reason, but a few stragglers stuck aroun. One was an octogenarian who h=
ad worked in the mine most of his
 life but never got sick from it. Do they have lotteries in Russia? If so, =
he should buy a ticket.<br>
<br>
</p>
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On 1/14/2021 8:42 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca";>m.g.sharp@s=
ympatico.ca</a> wrote:</p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family=
: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"">I believe it is a bit more than just =93dust=94 as if you =
were cutting it.&nbsp; Asbestos is fiberous and the fibres are composed of =
microscopic components that will shed with any abrasion, even simple handli=
ng.&nbsp; The microscopic fibrils become airborne
 and are easily inhaled.&nbsp; They can also adhere to your skin and clothi=
ng and be transferred later, after the job is finished.&nbsp; I am no exper=
t, but suspect a short, once-in-a-lifetime exposure are probably not a risk=
, but why take even a small risk when exposure
 is easily prevented.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family=
: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family=
: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"">What worries me is when I look back to when I was a kid wo=
rking in a gas station in the 60s and when the mechanics did a brake job, t=
he first thing they did after removing the brake drums was take an air hose=
 and blow the brake dust off the shoes
 and backing plate etc.&nbsp; Of course brake material had asbestos fibres =
in it back then and these clouds of black asbestos-filled dust would fill t=
he shop for us all to enjoy.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family=
: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family=
: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"">Cheers, Mirek</span></p>
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<b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys <a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>
&lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jean Caron<b=
r>
<b>Sent:</b> January 14, 2021 11:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";>simon.lachl=
an@alexarevel.plus.com</a>; 'Perry Small'
<a href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com";>&lt;healeyguy@aol.com&gt;</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net=
</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet</span></p=
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&nbsp;</p>
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: Calibri, sans-serif;">
I have always been told that it is the dust of asbestos that is dangerous, =
not the board itself. I recall many years ago helping a friend with these o=
n his Austin-Healey and he was totally afraid of even removing these panels=
, he was wearing a mask, and then
 a shield and gloves, that=92s even before they had these =93hazmat=94 suit=
s. Meanwhile he smoked a pack to a pack and half of cigarettes daily which =
eventually and unfortunately took his life.</p>
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&nbsp;</p>
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Jean </p>
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<b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";>simon.lac=
hlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>January 14, 2021 8:47 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com";>'Perry Small'</a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net=
</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet</p>
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: Calibri, sans-serif;margin-bottom:12.0pt">
Thank you to everyone regarding the sheet. <br>
I gave it a gentle pry, per Perry's advice, and then one rather less gentle=
.<br>
It just popped off. Intact and without cracking or breaking. <br>
I wonder if it is asbestos. It looked to be in really good condition, but i=
t<br>
was there when I bought the car back in '96.<br>
Anyhow, I was able to easily put the slide's 3 T-nuts in and reinstall the<=
br>
sheet. All suitably masked of course.<br>
Simon<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Perry Small &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com";>healeyguy@aol.co=
m</a>&gt; <br>
Sent: 11 January 2021 19:11<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";>simon.lachlan@alex=
arevel.plus.com</a><br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br=
>
Subject: asbestos lookalike insulation sheet<br>
<br>
Simon<br>
Notice the square blocks attached to the big sheet. They have been known to=
<br>
bond themselves to the bottom of the floor pan. Gentle pry them loose. <br>
Perry<br>
<br>
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