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This came across my feed yesterday. seemed to be timely posted
https://www.oldcarsweekly.com/restoration/new_oil_and_old_cars. A history
of engine oil development
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
_______ _______
(______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
(_________________________)
BT7 engine and disk brakes
1967 MGB [image: MG]
A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 10:38 AM wwycoffbn7--- via Healeys <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks all. As is usual there is a lot of good discourse and experience
> shared by the list. What triggered my question on oil and oil additives
> was the observation of a bottle of Red Line 10W40 image that did not
> display the usual statement that it contains ZDDP. For decades I have
> used that oil as it carries proper oil pressure, suites the climate, etc.
> However, if Red Line stopped including ZDDP, I would find another oil. =
I
> also recalled that some time back, Bob Spidell having to find a new outle=
t
> for Valvoline 20W50 as it seemed that it no longer cleared some Californi=
a
> rule changes. I wondered it this happened to Red Line.
>
>
>
> So, I sent off an inquiry to Red Line and not getting a rapid response
> sent one to our Healey group. The Healey group was much faster to
> respond. While most business are slowed down by COVID-19, a Red Line
> response did come. The assurance is that Red Line Motor Oil 10W40 (SKU
> 11404) contains good ZDDP levels, plenty for an Austin Healey's flat tapp=
et
> cam and lifters; 1225ppm zinc and more importantly 1375ppm phosphorus.
>
> As to their break in additive, their Web site indicates that a half bottl=
e
> is enough to add to a conventional oil. It also has bit of sulfur, 16.6
> grams. I have to wonder if adding it to their 10W40 could result in too
> much. I am just not inclined to experiment.
>
>
>
> The 3000=E2=80=99s owner=E2=80=99s manual only mentions 30 weight oil, ev=
en for tropical
> heat. However, the =E2=80=9CWork shop Manual=E2=80=9D (the Green Book) h=
as a much more
> expansive table that promotes a lot of weights depending on the
> manufacturer. The aspect that modern oils are a bit different than those
> available when the book came out adds a bit more uncertainty.
>
>
>
> I am confident using the 10W40. I used 10W50 in my Triumph, but it was
> an air-cooled engine and was REAL hard to start in freezing weather. The=
re
> were also a lot of reputable recommendations that led me to Red Line=E2=
=80=99s
> 10W40. The oil pressure is proper, so I don=E2=80=99t see an upside for =
me to
> use a heavier oil.
>
>
>
> Many thanks to the folks who responded.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>This came across my feed yesterday. seemed to be time=
ly posted</div><div>
<a href=3D"https://www.oldcarsweekly.com/restoration/new_oil_and_old_cars";>=
https://www.oldcarsweekly.com/restoration/new_oil_and_old_cars</a>. A histo=
ry of engine oil development<br></div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs=
<div>Portland,OR</div><div><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman&=
#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0_______</span><br style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman',=
serif"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)</span><br style=3D"font-fa=
mily:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times=
New Roman',serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (_________________=
________)</span></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine an=
d disk brakes</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>1967 MGB =C2=A0<img s=
rc=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg"; alt=
=3D"MG"></div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-f=
amily:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"=
>A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti</spa=
n><br></div><div>Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words</d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>=
</div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 10:38 AM wwycoffbn=
7--- via Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@auto=
x.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-3355645998539718250yiv8049466780">
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:r=
gb(0,0,0)">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;line-height:normal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;col=
or:black">Hi,=C2=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif=
;color:black">Thanks all.<span>=C2=A0 </span>As is usual there is a lot of =
good discourse and experience shared by the list. <span>=C2=A0</span>What t=
riggered my question on oil and oil additives was the observation of a bott=
le of Red Line 10W40 image that did not display the usual statement that it=
contains ZDDP. <span>=C2=A0</span>For decades I have used that oil as it c=
arries proper oil pressure, suites the climate, etc. <span>=C2=A0</span>How=
ever, if Red Line stopped including ZDDP, I would find another oil. <span>=
=C2=A0</span>I also recalled that some time back, Bob Spidell having to fin=
d a new outlet for Valvoline 20W50 as it seemed that it no longer cleared s=
ome California rule changes. <span>=C2=A0</span>I wondered it this happened=
to Red Line.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif=
">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif=
;color:black">So, I sent off an inquiry to Red Line and not getting a rapid=
response sent one to our Healey group. <span>=C2=A0</span>The Healey group=
was much faster to respond. <span>=C2=A0</span>While most business are slo=
wed down by COVID-19, a Red Line response did come. <span>=C2=A0</span>The =
assurance is that Red Line Motor Oil 10W40 (SKU 11404) contains good ZDDP l=
evels, plenty for an Austin Healey's flat tappet cam and lifters; 1225p=
pm zinc and more importantly 1375ppm phosphorus.<br><br></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif=
">As to their break in additive, their Web site indicates that a half bottl=
e is enough to add to a conventional oil.<span>=C2=A0 </span>It also has bi=
t of sulfur, 16.6 grams.<span>=C2=A0 </span>I have to wonder if adding it t=
o their 10W40 could result in too much.<span>=C2=A0 </span>I am just not in=
clined to experiment.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif=
">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif=
;color:black">The 3000=E2=80=99s owner=E2=80=99s manual only mentions 30 we=
ight oil, even for tropical heat.<span>=C2=A0 </span>However, the =E2=80=9C=
Work shop Manual=E2=80=9D (the Green Book) has a much more expansive table =
that promotes a lot of weights depending on the manufacturer.<span>=C2=A0 <=
/span>The aspect that modern oils are a bit different than those available =
when the book came out adds a bit more uncertainty.<span>=C2=A0 </span></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif=
;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif=
;color:black">I am confident using the 10W40.<span>=C2=A0 </span>I used 10W=
50 in my Triumph, but it was an air-cooled engine and was REAL hard to star=
t in freezing weather.<span>=C2=A0 </span>There were also a lot of reputabl=
e recommendations that led me to Red Line=E2=80=99s 10W40.<span>=C2=A0 </sp=
an>The oil pressure is proper, so I don=E2=80=99t see an upside for me to u=
se a heavier oil.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif=
;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif=
;color:black">Many thanks to the folks who responded.<span>=C2=A0 </span></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;line-height:107%;font-=
family:"Times New Roman",serif">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;line-height:107%;font-=
family:"Times New Roman",serif">Bill</span></p>
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