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To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Does synthetic oil leak more?
From: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:45:42 -0500
Cc: Austin Healey <healeys@autox.team.net>
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Bob Spidell said *"I was leak free for the first 60 years ...  "*

I think it is unreasonable to ask of our cars more than we do of ourselves.

Best--Michael Oritt

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 12:58 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:

> I was leak free for the first 60 years ...
>
> On 1/11/2020 9:23 AM, Ron Fine wrote:
>
> I was sure I was going to be the first one to have a leak free Healey when
> I rebuilt my engine/transmission in 2004.  It was leak free for the first
> year or so, but, after that I have the usual drips.  I keep a piece of
> cardboard under the car to keep track of the leaks.  I assume that age and
> use just opens up the leaks over time.
>
> Ron Fine
>
>
>
> *From:* Jean Caron
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:57 AM
> *To:* Harold Manifold ; warthodson@aol.com ; 050.rpl@gmail.com ;
> healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Does synthetic oil leak more?
>
>
> Harold,
>
> It is possible to have a leak free Austin-Healey, once the oil has all
> drained out!!!!!!!
>
>
>
> Jean
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Harold Manifold
> *Sent: *January 11, 2020 10:53 AM
> *To: *warthodson@aol.com; 050.rpl@gmail.com; healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Does synthetic oil leak more?
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> All of your observations are a factor. Here are some comments from an
> article about synthetic oil leaks:
>
>
>
> Synthetic oil WILL NOT cause leaks. It may however make already worn-out
> gaskets/seals more evident, by leaking past them, and/or cleaning any
> sludge and other gunk that was sealing the existing leak. This is because
> Synthetic oil has much better cleaning properties, flows much better than
> conventional oil, and hence also lubricates much better than conventional
> oil (This is a good thing).
>
>
>
> I use a GL-4 synthetic gear oil in my transmission and it leaks. Believe
> it not not one of the leak mechanisms is from the interior along the bolts
> and drips from the bolt head on the exterior. I am changing the gaskets on
> my transmission and trying bonded sealing neoprene washers on the fasteners.
>
>
>
> I may be pursuing the impossible dream of a leak free Healey.... Harold
>
>
>
> *From:* warthodson@aol.com [mailto:warthodson@aol.com <warthodson@aol.com>]
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 11, 2020 7:24 AM
> *To:* manifold@telus.net; 050.rpl@gmail.com; healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Does synthetic oil leak more?
>
> I am not a leak expert, but I find this hard to understand. For there to
> be a leak there has to be a hole. Is it because the synthetic oil molecules
> are smaller than the non-synthetic oil molecules? Given that the "holes"
> come in different sizes this seems illogical. Is it because the synthetic
> oil is more slippery? How is that measured? How much more slippery is it?
>
> Gary Hodson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net> <manifold@telus.net>
> To: 'R. Lindsay' <050.rpl@gmail.com> <050.rpl@gmail.com>; 'Healey List'
> <healeys@autox.team.net> <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 10, 2020 7:55 pm
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rear Axle Oil
>
>
> The biggest difference you will notice with synthetic gear oils is they
> leak
> more than non-synthetic.
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Bob S=
pidell said <i>&quot;I was leak free for the first 60 years ...=C2=A0 &quot=
;</i></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I think=C2=A0it is unre=
asonable to ask of our cars more than=C2=A0we do of ourselves.</div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt</div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 12, =
2020 at 12:58 PM Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>bs=
pidell@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);=
padding-left:1ex">
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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
    I was leak free for the first 60 years ...<br>
    <br>
    <div>On 1/11/2020 9:23 AM, Ron Fine wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
     =20
     =20
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
          <div>I was sure I was going to be the first one to have a leak
            free Healey when I rebuilt my engine/transmission in 2004.=C2=
=A0
            It was leak free for the first year or so, but, after that I
            have the usual drips.=C2=A0 I keep a piece of cardboard under t=
he
            car to keep track of the leaks.=C2=A0 I assume that age and use
            just opens up the leaks over time.</div>
          <div>=C2=A0</div>
          <div>Ron Fine</div>
          <div>=C2=A0</div>
          <div>=C2=A0</div>
          <div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Ca=
libri;font-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inline"=
>
            <div style=3D"font:10pt tahoma">
              <div>=C2=A0</div>
              <div style=3D"background:rgb(245,245,245)">
                <div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"vintage_roadster_restoration@=
hotmail.com">Jean Caron</a> </div>
                <div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:57 AM</div>
                <div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"manifold@telus.net">Harold Mani=
fold</a> ; <a title=3D"warthodson@aol.com">warthodson@aol.com</a>
                  ; <a title=3D"050.rpl@gmail.com">050.rpl@gmail.com</a>
                  ; <a title=3D"healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.=
net</a> </div>
                <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Does synthetic oil
                  leak more?</div>
              </div>
            </div>
            <div>=C2=A0</div>
          </div>
          <div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Ca=
libri;font-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inline"=
>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Harold,</p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">It is possible to have a leak free
                Austin-Healey, once the oil has all drained out!!!!!!!</p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u>=C2=A0</p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jean</p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u>=C2=A0</p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.micros=
oft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986" target=3D"_blank">Mail</a> for Windows 10<=
/p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u>=C2=A0</p>
              <div style=3D"border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:sol=
id none none;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);border-right-color:initial;b=
order-bottom-color:initial;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm;border-left-color:initial">
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border-width:medium;border-=
style:none;border-color:initial;padding:0cm"><b>From:
                  </b><a>Harold Manifold</a><br>
                  <b>Sent: </b>January 11, 2020 10:53 AM<br>
                  <b>To: </b><a>warthodson@aol.com</a>;
                  <a>050.rpl@gmail.com</a>; <a>healeys@autox.team.net</a><b=
r>
                  <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Does synthetic oil leak
                  more?</p>
              </div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u>=C2=A0</p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial,sans-serif;color:blue">Hello,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial,sans-serif;color:blue">All of your observations are a factor. Her=
e are
                  some comments from an article about synthetic oil
                  leaks:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Synthetic oil WILL NOT cause leaks.
                It may however make already worn-out gaskets/seals more
                evident, by leaking past them, and/or cleaning any
                sludge and other gunk that was sealing the existing
                leak. This is because Synthetic oil has much better
                cleaning properties, flows much better than conventional
                oil, and hence also lubricates much better than
                conventional oil (This is a good thing).<u></u><u></u></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial,sans-serif;color:blue">I use a GL-4 synthetic gear oil in my
                  transmission and it leaks. Believe it not not one of
                  the leak mechanisms is from the interior along the
                  bolts and drips from the bolt head on the exterior. I
                  am changing the gaskets on my transmission and trying
                  bonded sealing neoprene washers on the fasteners.</span><=
u></u><u></u></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial,sans-serif;color:blue">I may be pursuing the impossible dream of =
a leak
                  free Healey.... Harold</span><u></u><u></u></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u>=C2=A0</p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><img id=3D"gmail-=
m_4757691962539624850Horizontal_x0020_Line_x0020_1" style=3D"height: 0.01in=
; width: 7.375in;" src=3D"cid:16fa0a5edeb397c367c1" width=3D"708" height=3D=
"1" border=3D"0"></span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">From:=
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif" lan=
g=3D"EN-US">
                  <a href=3D"mailto:warthodson@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">w=
arthodson@aol.com</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:warthodson@aol.com"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">mailto:warthodson@aol.com</a>] <br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 11, 2020 7:24 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:manifold@telus.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">manifold@telus.net</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:050.rpl@gmail.com"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank">050.rpl@gmail.com</a>;
                  <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Does synthetic oil leak more?</span><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-f=
amily:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">I am not a leak expert, but I find this=
 hard
                    to understand. For there to be a leak there has to
                    be a hole. Is it because the synthetic oil molecules
                    are smaller than the non-synthetic oil molecules?
                    Given that the &quot;holes&quot; come in different size=
s this
                    seems illogical. Is it because the synthetic oil is
                    more slippery? How is that measured? How much more
                    slippery is it?=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></p>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Gary
                      Hodson<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">-----O=
riginal
                        Message-----<br>
                        From: Harold Manifold <a href=3D"mailto:manifold@te=
lus.net" target=3D"_blank">&lt;manifold@telus.net&gt;</a><br>
                        To: &#39;R. Lindsay&#39; <a href=3D"mailto:050.rpl@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">&lt;050.rpl@gmail.com&gt;</a>;
                        &#39;Healey List&#39; <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@aut=
ox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br>
                        Sent: Fri, Jan 10, 2020 7:55 pm<br>
                        Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rear Axle Oil<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><br>
                  The biggest difference you will notice with synthetic
                  gear oils is they leak<br>
                  more than non-synthetic. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u>=C2=A0</p>
            </div>
            <p>
            </p>
            <hr></div>
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