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I=E2=80=99ll second that. The Concours Guidelines sits right beside my =
workshop manual and Is consulted on almost every task I undertake. I =
belong to other one-make clubs, and of course talk to owners of other =
makes, and there is nothing to my knowledge that rivals the completeness =
and accuracy of the our Concours Guidelines. I would add that I =
appreciate its humbleness and open-mindedness. The authors note where =
there is doubt, seek new information from those with original cars, and =
intend only to provide the best possible information based on sound =
research and informed discussion. Moreover, some of the authors are =
regular contributors to this list, and I have had occasion to contact a =
number of them to seek clarification on some aspects of my Healey, and =
their knowledge and experience are always graciously provided; a =
contribution for which I and many other Healey owners are incredibly =
grateful for. We do not all have to share the view that the only way to =
prepare a car is to restore it to the way it was when it emerged from =
the doors at Abingdon (or Longbridge), but having that information at =
hand gives the ability to make informed decisions on every repair, =
regardless of whether it is a gold standard show car, a faithfully =
maintained driver like my BT7, or a tired old beast kept going on a =
shoestring budget. The Guidelines are the furthest thing from =
=E2=80=9Cbullshit=E2=80=9D I can think of. Many thanks to those who =
reference our dear departed friend Rich, who still inspires me.
=20
Mirek
=20
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Al =
Fuller
Sent: December-12-19 7:24 PM
To: 'Healeys'
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours Registry and Guidelines (was: Thanks for =
all the help)
=20
Michael and John:
=20
Thanks for expressing the sentiments others of us have!! My Healey is =
nowhere near concours, but I do really appreciate the efforts of those =
who help us understand what the cars are like when restored as they were =
when produced.
=20
Al Fuller
=20
=20
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
Michael Salter
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2019 7:09 PM
To: John P. New <jnew@hazelden.ca>
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours Registry and Guidelines (was: Thanks for =
all the help)
=20
John, I could not agree with more with everything you have said.=20
Concours may not be for everyone but to characterize it as "bullshit" is =
a profound insult to the dozens of dedicated individuals who believe in =
the accurate preservation of the marque.
For years I found Kees contributions to this list to be consistently =
simplistic and generic and was very gratified to find that Gmail =
provides an easy way to block his drivel.=20
=20
M
=20
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 11:27 AM John P. New, <jnew@hazelden.ca> wrote:
Kees,
Your statement, "All this concourse stuff is bullshit," really makes me =
angry.
I have been a member of this list for almost twenty years and I have =
seen you write some really inaccurate things about Healeys but this =
takes the cake. Indeed, even the late Richard Chrysler once told you on =
this list to keep your uninformed opinions on Austin-Healeys to =
yourself.
The Concours Guidelines (and *please* spell concours properly) is one of =
the few secondary sources of information that can help in the =
preservation and restoration of an Austin-Healey. I would say that in =
many ways it is THE BEST secondary source because it is updated annually =
as new information is gathered. No publication is without errors, so =
even great books by such authors as Clausager or Moment & Anderson do =
contain factual inaccuracies that may mislead a restoration. (To be fair =
to Moment & Anderson, they keep a list of errata for their book, =
available for the asking)
If you think Concours is about trailer queens and awards, then you just =
have no clue why the organization exists. To quote the very first =
sentence of the Austin-Healey Concours Registry Organization, Policies =
and Inspection Guidelines,
"The Austin-Healey Concours Registry was created by members from a =
number of Austin-Healey clubs in North America to assist owners in =
restoring their cars to original standards and to encourage the =
restoration and maintenance of original cars."
This sums up the entire mission of the Registry. Please note that the =
word "bullshit" does not appear there nor anywhere else in the =
publication.
So, following in the footsteps of Richard Chrysler: Kees, please keep =
your baseless, uninformed opinions on Austin-Healeys to yourself.
John P. New
London, Ontario, Canada
On Thursday, December 12, 2019 2:35:33 AM EST Kees Oudesluijs wrote:
> That looks very neat and tidy. Time to get it dirty. However fit some=20
> air filters in a cold box first. Avoid the foam affairs because of=20
> severe fire risk. These cars are for driving. All this concourse stuff =
> is bullshit. Use them, make them safe to drive in modern traffic and=20
> enjoy them. We have friends that use their A-H cars as a daily driver=20
> and rebuild the car every so often if and when extensive repairs are=20
> needed.
>=20
> To many concourse trailer queens about that may not even be fit for =
driving.
>=20
> Kees Oudesluijs
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Op 12-12-2019 om 04:05 schreef richard mayor:
> > The 1960 BT7 that I have been working on is not concours. I can't go =
> > into details right now but here's a photo of the engine compartment.
> >
> > DSCN4470 (1).jpg
> >
> >
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I=E2=80=99l=
l second that.=C2=A0 The Concours Guidelines sits right beside my =
workshop manual and Is consulted on almost every task I undertake.=C2=A0 =
I belong to other one-make clubs, and of course talk to owners of other =
makes, and there is nothing to my knowledge that rivals the completeness =
and accuracy of the our Concours Guidelines.=C2=A0 I would add that I =
appreciate its humbleness and open-mindedness.=C2=A0 The authors note =
where there is doubt, seek new information from those with original =
cars, and intend only to provide the best possible information based on =
sound research and informed discussion. =C2=A0=C2=A0Moreover, some of =
the authors are regular contributors to this list, and I have had =
occasion to contact a number of them to seek clarification on some =
aspects of my Healey, and their knowledge and experience are always =
graciously provided; a contribution for which I and many other Healey =
owners are incredibly grateful for. =C2=A0We do not all have to share =
the view that the only way to prepare a car is to restore it to the way =
it was when it emerged from the doors at Abingdon (or Longbridge), but =
having that information at hand gives the ability to make informed =
decisions on every repair, regardless of whether it is a gold standard =
show car, a faithfully maintained driver like my BT7, or a tired old =
beast kept going on a shoestring budget.=C2=A0 The Guidelines are the =
furthest thing from =E2=80=9Cbullshit=E2=80=9D I can think of.=C2=A0 =
Many thanks to those who reference our dear departed friend Rich, who =
still inspires me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mirek<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Healeys =
[mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Al =
Fuller<br><b>Sent:</b> December-12-19 7:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
'Healeys'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Concours Registry and =
Guidelines (was: Thanks for all the =
help)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Michael and John:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks for expressing the sentiments others of us have!! My =
Healey is nowhere near concours, but I do really appreciate the efforts =
of those who help us understand what the cars are like when restored as =
they were when produced.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><u><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Al Fuller<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span=
></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Healeys =
[mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael =
Salter<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 12, 2019 7:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
John P. New <jnew@hazelden.ca><br><b>Cc:</b> =
healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Concours =
Registry and Guidelines (was: Thanks for all the =
help)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>John, I could not agree with more with everything you have =
said. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Concours may not be for everyone but to characterize it as =
"bullshit" is a profound insult to the dozens of dedicated =
individuals who believe in the accurate preservation of the =
marque.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>For years I found Kees contributions to this list to be =
consistently simplistic and generic and was very gratified to find that =
Gmail provides an easy way to block his =
drivel. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>M<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 11:27 AM John =
P. New, <<a href=3D"mailto:jnew@hazelden.ca";>jnew@hazelden.ca</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
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.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Kees,<br><br>Your statement, "All this concourse stuff =
is bullshit," really makes me angry.<br><br>I have been a member of =
this list for almost twenty years and I have seen you write some really =
inaccurate things about Healeys but this takes the cake. Indeed, even =
the late Richard Chrysler once told you on this list to keep your =
uninformed opinions on Austin-Healeys to yourself.<br><br>The Concours =
Guidelines (and *please* spell concours properly) is one of the few =
secondary sources of information that can help in the preservation and =
restoration of an Austin-Healey. I would say that in many ways it is THE =
BEST secondary source because it is updated annually as new information =
is gathered. No publication is without errors, so even great books by =
such authors as Clausager or Moment & Anderson do contain factual =
inaccuracies that may mislead a restoration. (To be fair to Moment & =
Anderson, they keep a list of errata for their book, available for the =
asking)<br><br>If you think Concours is about trailer queens and awards, =
then you just have no clue why the organization exists. To quote the =
very first sentence of the Austin-Healey Concours Registry Organization, =
Policies and Inspection Guidelines,<br><br>"The Austin-Healey =
Concours Registry was created by members from a number of Austin-Healey =
clubs in North America to assist owners in restoring their cars to =
original standards and to encourage the restoration and maintenance of =
original cars."<br><br>This sums up the entire mission of the =
Registry. Please note that the word "bullshit" does not appear =
there nor anywhere else in the publication.<br><br>So, following in the =
footsteps of Richard Chrysler: Kees, please keep your baseless, =
uninformed opinions on Austin-Healeys to yourself.<br><br>John P. =
New<br>London, Ontario, Canada<br><br><br>On Thursday, December 12, 2019 =
2:35:33 AM EST Kees Oudesluijs wrote:<br>> That looks very neat and =
tidy. Time to get it dirty. However fit some <br>> air filters in a =
cold box first. Avoid the foam affairs because of <br>> severe fire =
risk. These cars are for driving. All this concourse stuff <br>> is =
bullshit. Use them, make them safe to drive in modern traffic and =
<br>> enjoy them. We have friends that use their A-H cars as a daily =
driver <br>> and rebuild the car every so often if and when extensive =
repairs are <br>> needed.<br>> <br>> To many concourse trailer =
queens about that may not even be fit for driving.<br>> <br>> Kees =
Oudesluijs<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Op 12-12-2019 om 04:05 =
schreef richard mayor:<br>> > The 1960 BT7 that I have been =
working on is not concours. I can't go <br>> > into details right =
now but here's a photo of the engine compartment.<br>> ><br>> =
> DSCN4470 (1).jpg<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > =
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