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I'm also going to chime in here about Kees. I too have read many of his
posts and thought to myself - that's not right, that's not how it is with a
Healey, he doesn't know what he is talking about.
It was my post about my project not being "concours" and showing a photo of
my engine compartment that got this whole thing started. However, I was
being facetious ..... the engine is a Datsun 280Z motor....... of course
its not concours. That should have been instantly obvious that something
was amiss. But Kees, the expert, completely missed that fact and instead
criticized my use of air horns and then launched into the concours BS
discussion.
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 7:03 PM Randy Hicks via Healeys <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
> Thank You Michael, John and others who have chimed in in support of
> =E2=80=9CConcours=E2=80=9D. I=E2=80=99ve held off responding due to the i=
nappropriateness and
> lunacy of the comment.
>
> Despite what some people many feel, Concours is stronger than ever. This
> year we have sold over 100 set of the Guideline which is more than twice
> any previous year. The 2020 Update will be out in early January 2020 with
> more photos and quite a few addition and correction to pervious editions.
> We research and produce nearly 700 pages of data and photos supporting o=
ur
> passion.
>
> The Concours Committee (contrary to many beliefs) does believes that our
> Concours cars are meant to be driven. We also believe and acknowledge tha=
t
> Concours is not for everyone ( this is fine), but that we need to be
> documenting how the Austin-Healey was built originally as a source for
> those that are interested and those just wanting to keep their cars as th=
ey
> were produced. We learn more and more each year, and totally believe in
> passing the information along to those interested.
>
> It is hardly =E2=80=9Cbullshit=E2=80=9D. Hundreds of hours of work goes i=
nto the
> documentation each year.
>
> Randy
>
> Randy Hicks
> Chairman, Austin-Healey Concours Registry Committee
>
> On Dec 12, 2019, at 7:09 PM, Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> John, I could not agree with more with everything you have said.
> Concours may not be for everyone but to characterize it as "bullshit" is =
a
> profound insult to the dozens of dedicated individuals who believe in the
> accurate preservation of the marque.
> For years I found Kees contributions to this list to be consistently
> simplistic and generic and was very gratified to find that Gmail provides
> an easy way to block his drivel.
>
> M
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 11:27 AM John P. New, <jnew@hazelden.ca> wrote:
>
>> Kees,
>>
>> Your statement, "All this concourse stuff is bullshit," really makes me
>> angry.
>>
>> I have been a member of this list for almost twenty years and I have see=
n
>> you write some really inaccurate things about Healeys but this takes the
>> cake. Indeed, even the late Richard Chrysler once told you on this list =
to
>> keep your uninformed opinions on Austin-Healeys to yourself.
>>
>> The Concours Guidelines (and *please* spell concours properly) is one of
>> the few secondary sources of information that can help in the preservati=
on
>> and restoration of an Austin-Healey. I would say that in many ways it is
>> THE BEST secondary source because it is updated annually as new informat=
ion
>> is gathered. No publication is without errors, so even great books by su=
ch
>> authors as Clausager or Moment & Anderson do contain factual inaccuracie=
s
>> that may mislead a restoration. (To be fair to Moment & Anderson, they k=
eep
>> a list of errata for their book, available for the asking)
>>
>> If you think Concours is about trailer queens and awards, then you just
>> have no clue why the organization exists. To quote the very first senten=
ce
>> of the Austin-Healey Concours Registry Organization, Policies and
>> Inspection Guidelines,
>>
>> "The Austin-Healey Concours Registry was created by members from a numbe=
r
>> of Austin-Healey clubs in North America to assist owners in restoring th=
eir
>> cars to original standards and to encourage the restoration and maintena=
nce
>> of original cars."
>>
>> This sums up the entire mission of the Registry. Please note that the
>> word "bullshit" does not appear there nor anywhere else in the publicati=
on.
>>
>> So, following in the footsteps of Richard Chrysler: Kees, please keep
>> your baseless, uninformed opinions on Austin-Healeys to yourself.
>>
>> John P. New
>> London, Ontario, Canada
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 12, 2019 2:35:33 AM EST Kees Oudesluijs wrote:
>> > That looks very neat and tidy. Time to get it dirty. However fit some
>> > air filters in a cold box first. Avoid the foam affairs because of
>> > severe fire risk. These cars are for driving. All this concourse stuff
>> > is bullshit. Use them, make them safe to drive in modern traffic and
>> > enjoy them. We have friends that use their A-H cars as a daily driver
>> > and rebuild the car every so often if and when extensive repairs are
>> > needed.
>> >
>> > To many concourse trailer queens about that may not even be fit for
>> driving.
>> >
>> > Kees Oudesluijs
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Op 12-12-2019 om 04:05 schreef richard mayor:
>> > > The 1960 BT7 that I have been working on is not concours. I can't go
>> > > into details right now but here's a photo of the engine compartment.
>> > >
>> > > DSCN4470 (1).jpg
>> > >
>> >
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I'm also going to chime in here about Kees.=C2=A0=
I too have read many of his posts and thought to myself - that's not r=
ight, that's not how it is with a Healey, he doesn't know what he i=
s talking about.=C2=A0 <br></div><div>It was my post about my project not b=
eing "concours" and showing a photo of my engine compartment that=
got this whole thing started. However,=C2=A0 I was being facetious ..... t=
he engine is a Datsun 280Z motor....... of course its not concours. That sh=
ould have been instantly obvious that something was amiss.=C2=A0 But Kees, =
the expert,=C2=A0 completely missed that fact and instead criticized my use=
of air horns and then launched into the concours BS discussion.=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 </div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 7:03 PM Randy Hicks via Healeys <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.n=
et</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=
"><div>Thank You Michael, John and others who have chimed in in support of =
=E2=80=9CConcours=E2=80=9D. I=E2=80=99ve held off responding due to the ina=
ppropriateness and lunacy of the comment.<div><br></div><div>Despite what s=
ome people many feel, Concours is stronger than ever. This year we have sol=
d over 100 set of the Guideline which is more than twice any previous year.=
The 2020 Update will be out in early January 2020 with more photos and qui=
te a few addition and correction to pervious editions. We research and =C2=
=A0produce nearly 700 pages of data and photos supporting our passion.</div=
><div><br></div><div>The Concours Committee (contrary to many beliefs) does=
believes that our Concours cars are meant to be driven. We also believe an=
d acknowledge that Concours is not for everyone ( this is fine), but that w=
e need to be documenting how the Austin-Healey was built originally as a so=
urce for those that are interested and those just wanting to keep their car=
s as they were produced. We learn more and more each year, and totally beli=
eve in passing the information along to those interested.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>It is hardly =E2=80=9Cbullshit=E2=80=9D. Hundreds of hours of work =
goes into the documentation each year.</div><div><br></div><div>Randy</div>=
<div><br></div><div>Randy Hicks</div><div>Chairman, Austin-Healey Concours =
Registry Committee<br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Dec 12, 20=
19, at 7:09 PM, Michael Salter <<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><=
div dir=3D"auto">John, I could not agree with more with everything you have=
said.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">Concours may not be for everyone but to chara=
cterize it as "bullshit" is a profound insult to the dozens of de=
dicated individuals who believe in the accurate preservation of the marque.=
</div><div dir=3D"auto">For years I found Kees contributions to this list t=
o be consistently simplistic and generic and was very gratified to find tha=
t Gmail provides an easy way to block his drivel.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"au=
to"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 11:27 AM John =
P. New, <<a href=3D"mailto:jnew@hazelden.ca"; target=3D"_blank">jnew@haze=
lden.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex">Kees,<br>
<br>
Your statement, "All this concourse stuff is bullshit," really ma=
kes me angry.<br>
<br>
I have been a member of this list for almost twenty years and I have seen y=
ou write some really inaccurate things about Healeys but this takes the cak=
e. Indeed, even the late Richard Chrysler once told you on this list to kee=
p your uninformed opinions on Austin-Healeys to yourself.<br>
<br>
The Concours Guidelines (and *please* spell concours properly) is one of th=
e few secondary sources of information that can help in the preservation an=
d restoration of an Austin-Healey. I would say that in many ways it is THE =
BEST secondary source because it is updated annually as new information is =
gathered. No publication is without errors, so even great books by such aut=
hors as Clausager or Moment & Anderson do contain factual inaccuracies =
that may mislead a restoration. (To be fair to Moment & Anderson, they =
keep a list of errata for their book, available for the asking)<br>
<br>
If you think Concours is about trailer queens and awards, then you just hav=
e no clue why the organization exists. To quote the very first sentence of =
the Austin-Healey Concours Registry Organization, Policies and Inspection G=
uidelines,<br>
<br>
"The Austin-Healey Concours Registry was created by members from a num=
ber of Austin-Healey clubs in North America to assist owners in restoring t=
heir cars to original standards and to encourage the restoration and mainte=
nance of original cars."<br>
<br>
This sums up the entire mission of the Registry. Please note that the word =
"bullshit" does not appear there nor anywhere else in the publica=
tion.<br>
<br>
So, following in the footsteps of Richard Chrysler: Kees, please keep your =
baseless, uninformed opinions on Austin-Healeys to yourself.<br>
<br>
John P. New<br>
London, Ontario, Canada<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thursday, December 12, 2019 2:35:33 AM EST Kees Oudesluijs wrote:<br>
> That looks very neat and tidy. Time to get it dirty. However fit some =
<br>
> air filters in a cold box first. Avoid the foam affairs because of <br=
>
> severe fire risk. These cars are for driving. All this concourse stuff=
<br>
> is bullshit. Use them, make them safe to drive in modern traffic and <=
br>
> enjoy them. We have friends that use their A-H cars as a daily driver =
<br>
> and rebuild the car every so often if and when extensive repairs are <=
br>
> needed.<br>
> <br>
> To many concourse trailer queens about that may not even be fit for dr=
iving.<br>
> <br>
> Kees Oudesluijs<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Op 12-12-2019 om 04:05 schreef richard mayor:<br>
> > The 1960 BT7 that I have been working on is not concours. I can&#=
39;t go <br>
> > into details right now but here's a photo of the engine compa=
rtment.<br>
> ><br>
> > DSCN4470 (1).jpg<br>
> ><br>
>=C2=A0</blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div>_________=
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