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OK, thanks.
Bob
On 8/27/2019 11:24 PM, Kees Oudesluijs wrote:
>
> Same with the car. You loose traction, both sideways and length wise.
> On a bike you can correct by counter steering with is very direct and
> by leaning over, in a car you cannot as the wheels react rather
> indirect on the steering wheel and if you deviate only slightly from
> the straight ahead direction the rear will pass the front. As the
> brake forces on the front wheels (as on the rear wheels) will never be
> 100% equal because of slight differences in the brakes L/R and on the
> road surface you will not be able to hold the straight ahead direction
> and thus............ A very good driver may be able to counteract this
> but the average driver will not, certainly not on a wet road.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
>
>
> Op 28-8-2019 om 02:53 schreef Bob Spidell:
>> OT, a little, but I've never understood the physics of this. When I
>> ride my bike, I can lock up the rear wheel and all it does is skid.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> On 8/27/2019 9:29 AM, Michael Salter wrote:
>>> Have to agree with Kees on this one.
>>> We have a brake bias control on AHX12 and I can certainly attest to
>>> the fact that when the conditions change to "wet" removing a lot of
>>> rear braking is absolutely essential to prevent the car from
>>> swapping ends.
>>> As most road cars don't have adjustable brake bias I would be very
>>> careful in trying to increase the rear braking.
>>> When braking into a corner the last thing you want is the rear end
>>> coming around, particularly in the wet.
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 12:09 PM Kees Oudesluijs
>>>
>>> Whatch out driving in the rain as the rear brakes will lock the
>>> rear
>>> wheels much quicker than with the smaller pistons.Rear brakes
>>> are only
>>> providing a small portion of the total brake force.
>>>
>>> Kees Oudesluijs
>>>
>>> Op 27-8-2019 om 18:04 schreef Chris Dimmock:
>>> > Hi Men
>>> > Has anyone else ever changed their rear wheel cylinders from
>>> 3/4 inch to 7/8 inch?
>>> > I just did. Sick of the rear brakes doing nothing. Freeloaders!!
>>> > Yes, no problem with seized wheel cylinders, no problem with
>>> the flexible hose - just bugger all wear on the rear linings.
>>> > I'll let you know how it goes on my BJ8
>>> > Best
>>>
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OK, thanks.<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/27/2019 11:24 PM, Kees Oudesluijs
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<p>Same with the car. You loose traction, both sideways and length
wise. On a bike you can correct by counter steering with is very
direct and by leaning over, in a car you cannot as the wheels
react rather indirect on the steering wheel and if you deviate
only slightly from the straight ahead direction the rear will
pass the front. As the brake forces on the front wheels (as on
the rear wheels) will never be 100% equal because of slight
differences in the brakes L/R and on the road surface you will
not be able to hold the straight ahead direction and
thus............ A very good driver may be able to counteract
this but the average driver will not, certainly not on a wet
road.</p>
<p>Kees Oudesluijs</p>
<p><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 28-8-2019 om 02:53 schreef Bob
Spidell:<br>
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OT, a little, but I've never understood the physics of this.Â
When I ride my bike, I can lock up the rear wheel and all it
does is skid.<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/27/2019 9:29 AM, Michael
Salter wrote:<br>
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ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Have to agree with Kees on
this one. <br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">We have a brake bias
control on AHX12 and I can certainly attest to the fact
that when the conditions change to "wet" removing a lot of
rear braking is absolutely essential to prevent the car
from swapping ends. <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">As most road cars don't
have adjustable brake bias I would be very careful in
trying to increase the rear braking.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">When braking into a corner
the last thing you want is the rear end coming around,
particularly in the wet.</div>
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ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">M<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at
12:09 PM Kees Oudesluijs <<a
href="mailto:coudesluijs@chello.nl";
moz-do-not-send="true">coudesluijs@chello.nl</a>>
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Whatch out driving in
the rain as the rear brakes will lock the rear <br>
wheels much quicker than with the smaller pistons.Rear
brakes are only <br>
providing a small portion of the total brake force.<br>
<br>
Kees Oudesluijs<br>
<br>
Op 27-8-2019 om 18:04 schreef Chris Dimmock:<br>
> Hi Men<br>
> Has anyone else ever changed their rear wheel
cylinders from 3/4 inch to 7/8 inch?<br>
> I just did. Sick of the rear brakes doing nothing.
Freeloaders!!<br>
> Yes, no problem with seized wheel cylinders, no
problem with the flexible hose - just bugger all wear on
the rear linings.<br>
> I'll let you know how it goes on my BJ8<br>
> Best</blockquote>
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