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Super article.
Thanks.
Larry Swift
> On Nov 22, 2018, at 3:32 AM, Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt@gmail.com> wrote:
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> John,
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> Like most British bolts of the earlier part of last century, the =
Vendor name was printed on the bolt, e.g. Rubery-Owen or RO, Bees, =
Wiley, Woden and about 30+ others. So to answer your question... BEES =
was the vendor. The bolt you refer to with an actual Bee on the head is =
a very early bolt, and is one that I have in my collection. It most =
likely is a Whitworth bolt, either BSF (fine) or BSW (coarse).
>=20
> The "Rubery Owen B28-35" that you refer to is a "Mild" steel bolt, =
similar to an SAE Grade "2" US bolt. The strength rating is "B" and the =
measurement is 28 to 35 tons per square inch or tons tensile. The range =
refers to "yield" strength and "ultimate tensile" strength as described =
in my attached article. FYI, multiply 28 or 35 times a ton and you'll =
get the strength in pounds, or psi... HOWEVER we're talking British =
here, so it's not 2,000 pounds as in a US ton but 2,240 pounds as in a =
British Long Ton!
>=20
> Along with the vendor name was the strength rating expressed as a =
letter which for hi tensile bolts was D, E, F and G prior to 1950 and =
changed to R, S, T, U, V, W, and X after 1950. I have included =
(attached) my draft on British Strength rating codes decoded which I =
hope to officially publish on my blog site once it's up and running.
>=20
> Also, the bolt heads were marked to differentiate Whitworth (BSW, BSF, =
etc...) from UNF and UNC once this new thread form system was phased in =
during the early 1950s. For bolts, that was a "circular" depression on =
the head of the bolt which meant the bolt was a "Unified" versus a =
"Whitworth" thread form bolt.
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> I hope this helps and email me directly if you have any further =
questions.
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> Cheers,
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> Curt
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> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:01 PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com =
> Hi John--
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> Check this out:
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> =
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2zllShyvv34/UQLGj7XqZjI/AAAAAAAAPUg/e1--MCxAPKY/=
s1600/Bee:1.jpg =
<http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2zllShyvv34/UQLGj7XqZjI/AAAAAAAAPUg/e1--MCxAPKY=
/s1600/Bee:1.jpg>
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> Happy Thanksgiving to you and Cindi.
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> Best--Michael Oritt
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> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:19 PM John Vrugtman <javrugtman@htcnet.org =
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubery_Owen =
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubery_Owen>
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> Bees bolts seem to be very obscure, saw a picture of one, but no =
reference to the manufacturer =20
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wrote:
>> I was sorting thru a box of hardware & found two bolts that I cannot =
identify. They both are approx. 1/4" diameter. They both have the same =
thread per inch. According to my thread gage they are between 24 & 26 =
TPI. So call it 25 TPI. I do not have a metric thread gage to check them =
against.
>>=20
>> One is marked "Rubery Owen B28-35" on the head & measures about 5/8" =
long. The other is marked "BEES" & has a embossed emblem of a bee on the =
head & measures about 3/4" long. The lengths do not include the head, of =
course. No other markings on the heads.
>> They will not accept a BSF nut, UNF or UNC nut or any metric nuts =
that I have.=20
>>=20
>> Can anyone ID these for me?
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>> Gary Hodson =20
>>=20
>>=20
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class=3D"">Super article.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Thanks.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Larry Swift<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Nov 22, 2018, at 3:32 AM, Curtis Arndt =
<<a href=3D"mailto:cnaarndt@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">cnaarndt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">John,<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Like most British bolts of the earlier =
part of last century, the Vendor name was printed on the bolt, e.g. =
Rubery-Owen or RO, Bees, Wiley, Woden and about 30+ others. So to =
answer your question... BEES was the vendor. The bolt you refer to =
with an actual Bee on the head is a very early bolt, and is one that I =
have in my collection. It most likely is a Whitworth bolt, either =
BSF (fine) or BSW (coarse).</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
class=3D"">The <span style=3D"font-family: arial;" =
class=3D""> </span><span style=3D"font-family: arial;" =
class=3D"">"Rubery Owen B28-35"</span> that you refer to is a =
"Mild" steel bolt, similar to an SAE Grade "2" US bolt. The =
strength rating is "B" and the measurement is 28 to 35 tons per square =
inch or tons tensile. The range refers to "yield" strength and =
"ultimate tensile" strength as described in my attached article. =
FYI, multiply 28 or 35 times a ton and you'll get the strength in =
pounds, or psi... HOWEVER we're talking British here, so it's not =
2,000 pounds as in a US ton but 2,240 pounds as in a British Long =
Ton!</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Along =
with the vendor name was the strength rating expressed as a letter which =
for<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class=3D"">hi =
tensile</u><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>bolts was =
D, E, F and G prior to 1950 and changed to R, S, T, U, =
V, W, and X after 1950. I have included (attached) my =
draft on British Strength rating codes decoded which I hope to =
officially publish on my blog site once it's up and running.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Also, the bolt heads =
were marked to differentiate Whitworth (BSW, BSF, etc...) from UNF and =
UNC once this new thread form system was phased in during the early =
1950s. For bolts, that was a "circular" depression on the head of =
the bolt which meant the bolt was a "Unified" versus a "Whitworth" =
thread form bolt.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I hope this helps and email me directly if you have any =
further questions.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Cheers,</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Curt</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
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0px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:01 PM =
Michael Oritt <<a href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
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style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">Hi John--</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color: rgb(51, =
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style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default"><font color=3D"#3333ff" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2zllShyvv34/UQLGj7XqZjI/AAAAAAAAPUg/e1--=
MCxAPKY/s1600/Bee:1.jpg" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2zllShyvv34/UQLGj7XqZjI/AAAAAAAAPUg/e=
1--MCxAPKY/s1600/Bee:1.jpg</a></font><br class=3D""></div><div =
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class=3D""></font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font =
color=3D"#3333ff" class=3D"">Happy Thanksgiving to you and =
Cindi.</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font color=3D"#3333ff" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font =
color=3D"#3333ff" class=3D"">Best--Michael =
Oritt</font></div></div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 =
at 10:19 PM John Vrugtman <<a href=3D"mailto:javrugtman@htcnet.org"; =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">javrugtman@htcnet.org</a>> wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, =
204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div text=3D"#000000" =
bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubery_Owen"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubery_Owen</a><br class=3D""><br=
class=3D"">Bees bolts seem to be very obscure, saw a picture of one, =
but no reference to the manufacturer <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div =
class=3D"m_-7474963336397339075m_-9095152134635478455moz-cite-prefix">On =
11/21/2018 6:58 PM,<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
class=3D"m_-7474963336397339075m_-9095152134635478455moz-txt-link-abbrevia=
ted" href=3D"mailto:warthodson@aol.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">warthodson@aol.com</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"arial" class=3D""><div class=3D"">I was sorting thru a box of =
hardware & found two bolts that I cannot identify. They both are =
approx. 1/4" diameter. They both have the same thread per inch. =
According to my thread gage they are between 24 & 26 TPI. So call it =
25 TPI. I do not have a metric thread gage to check them =
against.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">One =
is marked "Rubery Owen B28-35" on the head & measures about 5/8" =
long. The other is marked "BEES" & has a embossed emblem of a bee on =
the head & measures about 3/4" long. The lengths do not include the =
head, of course. No other markings on the heads.</div><div class=3D"">They=
will not accept a BSF nut, UNF or UNC nut or any metric nuts that I =
have. </div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Can =
anyone ID these for me?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div class=3D"">Gary Hodson =
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