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People tend to hold to their own beliefs in the face of new to them
facts and are slow to change, normal behavior. In the case of the Healey
badges; they have been referred to as cloisonné, the accepted name for a
long time.
John
64/66BJ8s
On 10/25/2018 8:17 AM, BJ8Healeys wrote:
>
> It is truly amazing that after all the discussion -- and the proof of
> Merriam-Webster's dictionary and professional jewelers -- that there
> are folks who still insist the badges are cloisonné.
>
> I think I'll check out of this discussion.
>
> Steve Byers
>
> HBJ8L/36666
>
> BJ8 Registry
>
> AHCA Delegate at Large
>
> Havelock, NC
>
> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of
> *Craig & Sue Rice
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 25, 2018 5:33 AM
> *To:* 'Roger Moment'
> *Cc:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Paint type
>
> Badge Connoisseurs,
>
> After all the rhetoric on this subject, I can say that Roger Momentâ??s
> message is SPOT ON. My original BN1 & BN2 (original owner) badge
> lettering pockets are filled with a red glasslike transparent material.
>
> As far as changes to the â??Concours Guidelinesâ??, I might suggest that
> the word â??flatâ?? be changed to â??slightly curvedâ??. I calculated my
> original BN1 & BN2 badges plus other original (not aftermarket) badges
> in my inventory at a 60 to 85 inch radius to fit the shroud profile. I
> would think the badges were manufactured with this curvature before
> the chrome plating and CLOISONNÃ? process.
>
> Craig Rice
>
> BN1 & BN2 Original Owner
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Roger
> Moment
> *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 8:06 AM
> *To:* Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt@gmail.com>; gary brierton
> <gbrierton@hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* Sean and Tricia Johnson <healey@communitynet.org>; Michael
> Salter <michael.salter@gmail.com>; Healey List
> <healeys@autox.team.net>; Tom, Kaye Kovacs <fntune@charter.net>; carol
> hodgman <carolhodgman@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Paint type
>
> To all,
>
> Iâ??m not clear about who wrote what, but *ALL Healey wing badges
> */*_WERE_*/*CLOISONNÃ? (*up to late BJ8s, starting in Dec. 1966, as
> stated in the current Guidelines*)!!!!!!!! *You can tell this because
> the red lettering color is transparent and you can see through to the
> backing.
>
> This is why you cannot just repair the red on a badge. The Cloisonné
> process requires high heat and would destroy the Cr plating â?? they do
> the lettering first and plate with Cr afterwards.
>
> I have had manly original badges restored by P-D Enamels in England.Â
> Yes, their name has â??Enamelsâ?? in it, but the process they use to
> replicate original badges like the Healey winged ones is Cloisonné.Â
> They have seen a very large number of these and have restored them
> exactly as-new. They agree that the red â??fillâ?? was Cloisonné!!! They
> restore them with this material.
>
> Look at old defective badges. Where the color has started to separate
> from the backing it looks darker. This is because you are looking
> through a glass and can identify separation from the backing.  Where
> it is missing in places it looks exactly like chipped out glass, not
> paint. It is much thicker than paint.
>
> On the late BJ8s they went to paint. This looks totally different!!!
>
> The Guidelines as currently written are correct!! *DO NOT CHANGE!!!!!!!!*
>
>
> Iâ??ll â??go to the matâ?? on this!!!!
>
> Roger
>
> *From:*Curtis Arndt
>
> *Sent:*Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:42 PM
>
> *To:*gary brierton
>
> *Cc:*Healey List ; Michael Salter ; Roland Wilhelmy ; Roger Moment
>
> *Subject:*Re: [Healeys] Paint type
>
> Gary,
>
> With all due respect, sorry but you are mistaken on a number of points.
>
> *Michael Salter... Please make this my first revision for the next
> Concours Guidelines update. *
>
> First off, the badges were never Cloisonne, they are red enamel. Yes,
> the Concours Guidelines state that they are Cloisonne, the Guidelines
> are WRONG. I am officially submitting an update for the next Concours
> Guidelines revision.
>
> Copied from the Concours Guidelines...
>
> /"All cars up through the Mark I 3000s had flat Austin-Healey "wings"
> mounted on the front between the grille and bonnet opening, with _red
> cloisonné lettering_ inset in chrome."///
>
> Change to read//*/"/**/red enamel lettering/**/"/*
>
> This is where the confusion first arises!
>
> Secondly, all Austin Healey badges were red enamel from the very first
> BN1 in 1953 through the BJ8 at chassis no. 39975. After that they were
> indeed painted red. Also copied from the Concours Guidelines...
>
> /"BJ8s produced starting around C. 39,975 (approximate date â?? December
> 1966) had a similar badge that _was not cloisonné but was painted red
> instead of the cloisonné_.////These later badges have a smooth
> background instead of the pebbled background of the enameled badges." /
>
> Change to read/*"*/*/was not enamel but was painted red instead of the
> enamel."/*
>
> Karla Maxwell, a trained jeweler with 45+ years experience who owns
> Maxwell Enamels will tell you, as she told me 25 years ago that
> automotive badges are enamel and NOT Cloisonne. Karla is the premier
> automotive emblem restorer in the US, is in high demand for Pebble
> Beach participants, is a neighbor and personal friend of 25+ years.
> Karla has restored a number of badges personally for me, and I have
> done some Bakelite restoration work for Karla for Pebble Beach cars
> that she was working on. Oh, and Karla's business is Maxwell Enamels
> NOT Maxwell Cloisonne. In the UK the best known badge restorer is PD
> Enamels, NOT PD Cloisonne.
>
> I hope that this clears things up once and for all.
>
> This is from Karla's FAQ section of her website...
> http://www.maxwellenamels.com/FAQs.html
>
> *FAQ... How was my emblem created? *
>
> These enameled emblems are often, *incorrectly, referred to as
> /cloisonné/*. Cloisonné is an enamel process in which separate bands
> of metal are bent then applied to a base. These labor intensive bands
> encase the enamel and create the design. I have yet to see an
> automobile emblem done with cloisonné. The process that is used is
> called /champlevé/ (pronounced shomp´-leh-vay).
>
> The champlevé technique involves applying enamel into depressions in
> the base metal. These depressions may be etched, engraved or, in the
> case of automobile emblems, die stamped. The stamping process can also
> include the beautiful design work that shows under transparent enamels.
>
> Historically the word enamel meant glass but today it seems to refer
> to any shiny color. The correct terminology is /vitreous/ [glass]
> enamel. It is a true glass that melts and fuses around 1400 degrees F.
> Enamel can be obtained as opaque, translucent or transparent. The
> colors are created by the addition of metallic oxides to the glass.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 8:31 PM Gary R. Brierton
>
> OK...let's try and clear this up. As I understand it, the "flat
> wings with the Austin-Healey script" commonly seen on BN1, BN2 and
> (I don't know when it stopped), had red paint of unknown shade in
> the etched out lettering. Along came the larger badges with MKII
> or whatever, in cloisonne. THEN, to really screw us up, those
> badges returned to red paint of unknown shade, seemingly during
> BJ8 production. As was true with almost everything involving our
> cars, the exact change VIN number for all of this is largely
> indeterminate, at least as far as trim pieces are concerned...oh,
> and some major body parts, like wings with one or two signaling
> lights, swag lines, whatever. Reliable reports (from D.M.H.!)
> state that the guiding principle in assembling our cars was "use
> up what was on hand".
>
> I claim no expertise beyond owning Austin-Healeys and associating
> with their owners for over 50 years (so, mainly the 6 cylinder cars).
>
> Take it away, Curt, Randy, Steve, et. al.ð???
>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0in">People tend to hold to their own
beliefs in the face of new to them facts and are slow to change,
normal behavior. In the case of the Healey badges; they have been
referred to as <font color="#002060"><font face="Comic Sans
MS">cloisonné,</font></font>
the accepted name for a long time.</p>
<br>
John<br>
64/66BJ8s<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/25/2018 8:17 AM, BJ8Healeys
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS";color:#002060">It is truly amazing that after all
the discussion -- and the proof of Merriam-Webster's
dictionary and professional jewelers -- that there are folks
who still insist the badges are cloisonné.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS";color:#002060">I think I'll check out of this
discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS";color:#002060"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS";color:#002060">Steve Byers</span><span
style="color:#002060"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS";color:#002060">HBJ8L/36666</span><span
style="color:#002060"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS";color:#002060">BJ8 Registry</span><span
style="color:#002060"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS";color:#002060">AHCA Delegate at Large</span><span
style="color:#002060"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS";color:#002060">Havelock, NCÂ </span><span
style="color:#002060"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#002060"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS";color:#002060"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Healeys [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Craig & Sue Rice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 25, 2018 5:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Roger Moment'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Paint type<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Badge Connoisseurs,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">After all the rhetoric on this subject, I
can say that Roger Momentâ??s message is SPOT ON. My original
BN1 & BN2 (original owner) badge lettering pockets are
filled with a red glasslike transparent material.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As far as changes to the â??Concours
Guidelinesâ??, I might suggest that the word â??flatâ?? be changed
to â??slightly curvedâ??. I calculated my original BN1 & BN2
badges plus other original (not aftermarket) badges in my
inventory at a 60 to 85 inch radius to fit the shroud profile.
I would think the badges were manufactured with this curvature
before the chrome plating and <span
style="color:red">CLOISONNÃ?</span>
process.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Craig Rice<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">BN1 & BN2 Original Owner <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";><healeys-bounces@autox.team.net></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger
Moment<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 19, 2018 8:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Curtis Arndt <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:cnaarndt@gmail.com";><cnaarndt@gmail.com></a>; gary
brierton <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:gbrierton@hotmail.com";><gbrierton@hotmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Sean and Tricia Johnson
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healey@communitynet.org";><healey@communitynet.org></a>;
Michael Salter
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:michael.salter@gmail.com";><michael.salter@gmail.com></a>;
Healey List
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";><healeys@autox.team.net></a>; Tom,
Kaye Kovacs
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:fntune@charter.net";><fntune@charter.net></a>; carol hodgman
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:carolhodgman@gmail.com";><carolhodgman@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Paint type<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">To
all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Iâ??m
not clear about who wrote what, but <strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">ALL
Healey wing badges </span></strong></span><em><b><u><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red">WERE</span></u></b></em><strong><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">
CLOISONNÃ? (</span></strong><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">up
to late BJ8s, starting in Dec. 1966, as stated in the
current Guidelines<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">)!!!!!!!!Â
</span></strong>You can tell this because the red
lettering color is transparent and you can see through
to the backing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">This
is why you cannot just repair the red on a badge. The
Cloisonné process requires high heat and would destroy
the Cr plating â?? they do the lettering first and plate
with Cr afterwards.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I
have had manly original badges restored by P-D Enamels
in England. Yes, their name has â??Enamelsâ?? in it, but
the process they use to replicate original badges like
the Healey winged ones is Cloisonné. They have seen a
very large number of these and have restored them
exactly as-new. They agree that the red â??fillâ?? was
Cloisonné!!! They restore them with this
material.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Look
at old defective badges. Where the color has started
to separate from the backing it looks darker. This is
because you are looking through a glass and can
identify separation from the backing.  Where it is
missing in places it looks exactly like chipped out
glass, not paint. It is much thicker than
paint.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">On
the late BJ8s they went to paint. This looks totally
different!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">The
Guidelines as currently written are correct!! <strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">DO NOT
CHANGE!!!!!!!!</span></strong><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
Iâ??ll â??go to the matâ?? on this!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Roger<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
Curtis Arndt <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span
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Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:42
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">To:</span></b><span
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gary brierton <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Cc:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
Healey List ; Michael Salter ; Roland Wilhelmy ;
Roger Moment <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
Re: [Healeys] Paint type<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gary,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">With all
due respect, sorry but you are mistaken on a
number of points. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Michael
Salter... Please make this my first revision
for the next Concours Guidelines update.
</span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">First off,
the badges were never Cloisonne, they are red
enamel. Yes, the Concours Guidelines state that
they are Cloisonne, the Guidelines are WRONG. I
am officially submitting an update for the next
Concours Guidelines revision.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-fontstyle0"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Copied
from the Concours Guidelines...</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-fontstyle0"><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:bookmanoldstyle;color:black">"All
cars up through the Mark I 3000s had flat
Austin-Healey "wings" mounted on the front
between the grille and bonnet opening, with
<u>red cloisonné lettering</u> inset in
chrome."</span></i></span><i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â
</span></i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Change to
read<i>Â </i></span><b><i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">"</span></i></b><span
class="gmail-fontstyle0"><b><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:bookmanoldstyle;color:black">red
enamel lettering</span></i></b></span><b><i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">"</span></i></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">This is
where the confusion first arises!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Secondly,
all Austin Healey badges were red enamel from
the very first BN1 in 1953 through the BJ8 at
chassis no. 39975. After that they were indeed
painted red. Also copied from the Concours
Guidelines...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-fontstyle0"><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:bookmanoldstyle;color:black">"BJ8s
produced starting around C. 39,975
(approximate date â?? December 1966) had a
similar badge that <u>was not cloisonné but
was painted red instead of the
cloisonné</u>.</span></i></span><i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â </span></i><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:bookmanoldstyle;color:black">These
later badges have a smooth background instead
of the pebbled background of <span
class="gmail-fontstyle0">the enameled
badges." </span></span></i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Change to
read<i>Â <b>"</b></i></span><span
class="gmail-fontstyle0"><b><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:bookmanoldstyle;color:black">was
not enamel but was painted red instead of
the enamel."</span></i></b></span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Karla
Maxwell, a trained jeweler with 45+ years
experience who owns Maxwell Enamels will tell
you, as she told me 25 years ago that automotive
badges are enamel and NOT Cloisonne. Karla is
the premier automotive emblem restorer in the
US, is in high demand for Pebble Beach
participants, is a neighbor and personal friend
of 25+ years. Karla has restored a number of
badges personally for me, and I have done some
Bakelite restoration work for Karla for Pebble
Beach cars that she was working on. Oh, and
Karla's business is Maxwell Enamels NOT Maxwell
Cloisonne. In the UK the best known badge
restorer is PD Enamels, NOT PD
Cloisonne.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I hope that
this clears things up once and for
all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">This is
from Karla's FAQ section of her website... <a
href="http://www.maxwellenamels.com/FAQs.html";
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.maxwellenamels.com/FAQs.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div id="gmail-content1">
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B1A7A">FAQ...
How was my emblem created? </span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">These
enameled emblems are often, <b><span
style="background:yellow">incorrectly</span>,
referred to as <i>cloisonné</i></b>.
Cloisonné is an enamel process in which
separate bands of metal are bent then
applied to a base. These labor intensive
bands encase the enamel and create the
design. <span style="background:yellow">I
have yet to see an automobile emblem
done with cloisonné.</span> The process
that is used is called <i>champlevé</i>
(pronounced shomp´-leh-vay).</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">The
champlevé technique involves applying
enamel into depressions in the base metal.
These depressions may be etched, engraved
or, in the case of automobile emblems, die
stamped. The stamping process can also
include the beautiful design work that
shows under transparent enamels.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Historically
the word enamel meant glass but today it
seems to refer to any shiny color. The
correct terminology is <i>vitreous</i>
[glass] enamel. It is a true glass that
melts and fuses around 1400 degrees F.Â
Enamel can be obtained as opaque,
translucent or transparent. The colors are
created by the addition of metallic oxides
to the glass.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">On Thu, Oct
18, 2018 at 8:31 PM Gary R. Brierton <<a
href="mailto:gbrierton@hotmail.com";
moz-do-not-send="true">gbrierton@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">OK...let's
try and clear this up. As I understand it,
the "flat wings with the Austin-Healey
script" commonly seen on BN1, BN2 and (I
don't know when it stopped), had red paint
of unknown shade in the etched out
lettering. Along came the larger badges
with MKII or whatever, in </span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman","serif";color:black">cloisonne</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">. THEN,
to really screw us up, those badges returned
to red paint of unknown shade, seemingly
during BJ8 production. As was true with
almost everything involving our cars, the
exact change VIN number for all of this is
largely indeterminate, at least as far as
trim pieces are concerned...oh, and some
major body parts, like wings with one or
two signaling lights, swag lines, whatever.Â
Reliable reports (from D.M.H.!) state that
the guiding principle in assembling our cars
was "use up what was on hand".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I claim
no expertise beyond owning Austin-Healeys
and associating with their owners for over
50 years (so, mainly the 6 cylinder
cars).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Take it
away, Curt, Randy, Steve, et. al.</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif";color:black">ð???</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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