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It is truly amazing that after all the discussion -- and the proof of =
Merriam-Webster's dictionary and professional jewelers -- that there are =
folks who still insist the badges are cloisonn=C3=A9.
I think I'll check out of this discussion.
=20
Steve Byers
HBJ8L/36666
BJ8 Registry
AHCA Delegate at Large
Havelock, NC =20
=20
=20
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Craig =
& Sue Rice
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 5:33 AM
To: 'Roger Moment'
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Paint type
=20
Badge Connoisseurs,
=20
After all the rhetoric on this subject, I can say that Roger =
Moment=E2=80=99s message is SPOT ON. My original BN1 & BN2 (original =
owner) badge lettering pockets are filled with a red glasslike =
transparent material.
=20
As far as changes to the =E2=80=9CConcours Guidelines=E2=80=9D, I might =
suggest that the word =E2=80=9Cflat=E2=80=9D be changed to =
=E2=80=9Cslightly curved=E2=80=9D. I calculated my original BN1 & BN2 =
badges plus other original (not aftermarket) badges in my inventory at a =
60 to 85 inch radius to fit the shroud profile. I would think the badges =
were manufactured with this curvature before the chrome plating and =
CLOISONN=C3=89 process.
=20
Craig Rice
BN1 & BN2 Original Owner=20
=20
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Roger Moment
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 8:06 AM
To: Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt@gmail.com>; gary brierton =
<gbrierton@hotmail.com>
Cc: Sean and Tricia Johnson <healey@communitynet.org>; Michael Salter =
<michael.salter@gmail.com>; Healey List <healeys@autox.team.net>; Tom, =
Kaye Kovacs <fntune@charter.net>; carol hodgman <carolhodgman@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Paint type
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To all,
=20
I=E2=80=99m not clear about who wrote what, but ALL Healey wing badges =
WERE CLOISONN=C3=89 (up to late BJ8s, starting in Dec. 1966, as stated =
in the current Guidelines)!!!!!!!! You can tell this because the red =
lettering color is transparent and you can see through to the backing.
=20
This is why you cannot just repair the red on a badge. The =
Cloisonn=C3=A9 process requires high heat and would destroy the Cr =
plating =E2=80=93 they do the lettering first and plate with Cr =
afterwards.
=20
I have had manly original badges restored by P-D Enamels in England. =
Yes, their name has =E2=80=9CEnamels=E2=80=9D in it, but the process =
they use to replicate original badges like the Healey winged ones is =
Cloisonn=C3=A9. They have seen a very large number of these and have =
restored them exactly as-new. They agree that the red =
=E2=80=98fill=E2=80=99 was Cloisonn=C3=A9!!! They restore them with =
this material.
=20
Look at old defective badges. Where the color has started to separate =
from the backing it looks darker. This is because you are looking =
through a glass and can identify separation from the backing. Where it =
is missing in places it looks exactly like chipped out glass, not paint. =
It is much thicker than paint.
=20
On the late BJ8s they went to paint. This looks totally different!!!
=20
The Guidelines as currently written are correct!! DO NOT CHANGE!!!!!!!!
I=E2=80=99ll =E2=80=98go to the mat=E2=80=99 on this!!!!
=20
=20
Roger
=20
From: Curtis Arndt=20
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:42 PM
To: gary brierton=20
Cc: Healey List ; Michael Salter ; Roland Wilhelmy ; Roger Moment=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Paint type
=20
Gary,=20
=20
With all due respect, sorry but you are mistaken on a number of points.=20
=20
Michael Salter... Please make this my first revision for the next =
Concours Guidelines update.=20
=20
First off, the badges were never Cloisonne, they are red enamel. Yes, =
the Concours Guidelines state that they are Cloisonne, the Guidelines =
are WRONG. I am officially submitting an update for the next Concours =
Guidelines revision.
=20
Copied from the Concours Guidelines...
=20
"All cars up through the Mark I 3000s had flat Austin-Healey "wings" =
mounted on the front between the grille and bonnet opening, with red =
cloisonn=C3=A9 lettering inset in chrome." =20
=20
Change to read "red enamel lettering"
=20
This is where the confusion first arises!
=20
Secondly, all Austin Healey badges were red enamel from the very first =
BN1 in 1953 through the BJ8 at chassis no. 39975. After that they were =
indeed painted red. Also copied from the Concours Guidelines...
=20
"BJ8s produced starting around C. 39,975 (approximate date =E2=80=93 =
December 1966) had a similar badge that was not cloisonn=C3=A9 but was =
painted red instead of the cloisonn=C3=A9. These later badges have a =
smooth background instead of the pebbled background of the enameled =
badges."=20
=20
Change to read "was not enamel but was painted red instead of the =
enamel."
=20
Karla Maxwell, a trained jeweler with 45+ years experience who owns =
Maxwell Enamels will tell you, as she told me 25 years ago that =
automotive badges are enamel and NOT Cloisonne. Karla is the premier =
automotive emblem restorer in the US, is in high demand for Pebble Beach =
participants, is a neighbor and personal friend of 25+ years. Karla has =
restored a number of badges personally for me, and I have done some =
Bakelite restoration work for Karla for Pebble Beach cars that she was =
working on. Oh, and Karla's business is Maxwell Enamels NOT Maxwell =
Cloisonne. In the UK the best known badge restorer is PD Enamels, NOT =
PD Cloisonne.
=20
I hope that this clears things up once and for all.
=20
This is from Karla's FAQ section of her website... =
http://www.maxwellenamels.com/FAQs.html
FAQ... How was my emblem created?=20
These enameled emblems are often, incorrectly, referred to as =
cloisonn=C3=A9. Cloisonn=C3=A9 is an enamel process in which separate =
bands of metal are bent then applied to a base. These labor intensive =
bands encase the enamel and create the design. I have yet to see an =
automobile emblem done with cloisonn=C3=A9. The process that is used is =
called champlev=C3=A9 (pronounced shomp=C2=B4-leh-vay).
The champlev=C3=A9 technique involves applying enamel into depressions =
in the base metal. These depressions may be etched, engraved or, in the =
case of automobile emblems, die stamped. The stamping process can also =
include the beautiful design work that shows under transparent enamels.=20
Historically the word enamel meant glass but today it seems to refer to =
any shiny color. The correct terminology is vitreous [glass] enamel. It =
is a true glass that melts and fuses around 1400 degrees F. Enamel can =
be obtained as opaque, translucent or transparent. The colors are =
created by the addition of metallic oxides to the glass.
=20
=20
=20
=20
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On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 8:31 PM Gary R. Brierton <gbrierton@hotmail.com> =
wrote:
OK...let's try and clear this up. As I understand it, the "flat wings =
with the Austin-Healey script" commonly seen on BN1, BN2 and (I don't =
know when it stopped), had red paint of unknown shade in the etched out =
lettering. Along came the larger badges with MKII or whatever, in =
cloisonne. THEN, to really screw us up, those badges returned to red =
paint of unknown shade, seemingly during BJ8 production. As was true =
with almost everything involving our cars, the exact change VIN number =
for all of this is largely indeterminate, at least as far as trim pieces =
are concerned...oh, and some major body parts, like wings with one or =
two signaling lights, swag lines, whatever. Reliable reports (from =
D.M.H.!) state that the guiding principle in assembling our cars was =
"use up what was on hand".
I claim no expertise beyond owning Austin-Healeys and associating with =
their owners for over 50 years (so, mainly the 6 cylinder cars).
Take it away, Curt, Randy, Steve, et. al.=F0=9F=98=81
=20
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>It is truly amazing =
that after all the discussion -- and the proof of Merriam-Webster's =
dictionary and professional jewelers -- that there are folks who still =
insist the badges are cloisonn=C3=A9.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#002060'>I think I'll check out of this =
discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#002060'>Steve Byers</span><span =
style=3D'color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#002060'>HBJ8L/36666</span><span =
style=3D'color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>BJ8 =
Registry</span><span style=3D'color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#002060'>AHCA Delegate at Large</span><span =
style=3D'color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>Havelock, NC =
</span><span style=3D'color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Craig & Sue Rice<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 25, 2018 5:33 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Roger Moment'<br><b>Cc:</b> =
healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Paint =
type<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Badge =
Connoisseurs,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>After all the rhetoric on this subject, I can say that =
Roger Moment=E2=80=99s message is SPOT ON. My original BN1 & BN2 =
(original owner) badge lettering pockets are filled with a red glasslike =
transparent material.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>As far as =
changes to the =E2=80=9CConcours Guidelines=E2=80=9D, I might suggest =
that the word =E2=80=9Cflat=E2=80=9D be changed to =E2=80=9Cslightly =
curved=E2=80=9D. I calculated my original BN1 & BN2 badges plus =
other original (not aftermarket) badges in my inventory at a 60 to 85 =
inch radius to fit the shroud profile. I would think the badges were =
manufactured with this curvature before the chrome plating and <span =
style=3D'color:red'>CLOISONN=C3=89</span> process.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Craig =
Rice<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>BN1 & BN2 Original Owner =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Healeys =
<healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger =
Moment<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 19, 2018 8:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt@gmail.com>; gary brierton =
<gbrierton@hotmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Sean and Tricia Johnson =
<healey@communitynet.org>; Michael Salter =
<michael.salter@gmail.com>; Healey List =
<healeys@autox.team.net>; Tom, Kaye Kovacs =
<fntune@charter.net>; carol hodgman =
<carolhodgman@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Paint =
type<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>T=
o all,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I=
=E2=80=99m not clear about who wrote what, but <strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>ALL Healey wing badges =
</span></strong></span><em><b><u><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>WER=
E</span></u></b></em><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> =
CLOISONN=C3=89 (</span></strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>u=
p to late BJ8s, starting in Dec. 1966, as stated in the current =
Guidelines<strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>)!!!!!!!! =
</span></strong>You can tell this because the red lettering color =
is transparent and you can see through to the =
backing.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>T=
his is why you cannot just repair the red on a badge. The =
Cloisonn=C3=A9 process requires high heat and would destroy the Cr =
plating =E2=80=93 they do the lettering first and plate with Cr =
afterwards.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I=
have had manly original badges restored by P-D Enamels in =
England. Yes, their name has =E2=80=9CEnamels=E2=80=9D in it, but =
the process they use to replicate original badges like the Healey winged =
ones is Cloisonn=C3=A9. They have seen a very large number of =
these and have restored them exactly as-new. They agree that the =
red =E2=80=98fill=E2=80=99 was Cloisonn=C3=A9!!! They restore them =
with this material.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>L=
ook at old defective badges. Where the color has started to =
separate from the backing it looks darker. This is because you are =
looking through a glass and can identify separation from the =
backing. Where it is missing in places it looks exactly like =
chipped out glass, not paint. It is much thicker than =
paint.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>O=
n the late BJ8s they went to paint. This looks totally =
different!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>T=
he Guidelines as currently written are correct!! <strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>DO NOT =
CHANGE!!!!!!!!</span></strong><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
br>I=E2=80=99ll =E2=80=98go to the mat=E2=80=99 on =
this!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>R=
oger<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Curtis Arndt <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Sent:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:42 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
To:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
gary brierton <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Cc:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Healey List ; Michael Salter ; Roland Wilhelmy ; Roger Moment =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Subject:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Re: [Healeys] Paint type<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
</div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Gary, =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>With all due respect, sorry but =
you are mistaken on a number of points. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Michael Salter... Please make =
this my first revision for the next Concours Guidelines update. =
</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>First off, the badges were never =
Cloisonne, they are red enamel. Yes, the Concours Guidelines state =
that they are Cloisonne, the Guidelines are WRONG. I am officially =
submitting an update for the next Concours Guidelines =
revision.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dgmail-fontstyle0><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'=
>Copied from the Concours Guidelines...</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dgmail-fontstyle0><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:bookmanoldstyle;color:black'>"=
All cars up through the Mark I 3000s had flat Austin-Healey =
"wings" mounted on the front between the grille and bonnet =
opening, with <u>red cloisonn=C3=A9 lettering</u> inset in =
chrome."</span></i></span><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></i><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Change to =
read<i> </i></span><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
quot;</span></i></b><span class=3Dgmail-fontstyle0><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:bookmanoldstyle;color:black'>red =
enamel lettering</span></i></b></span><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
quot;</span></i></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>This is where the confusion first =
arises!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Secondly, all Austin Healey =
badges were red enamel from the very first BN1 in 1953 through the BJ8 =
at chassis no. 39975. After that they were indeed painted red. =
Also copied from the Concours =
Guidelines...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dgmail-fontstyle0><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:bookmanoldstyle;color:black'>"=
BJ8s produced starting around C. 39,975 (approximate date =E2=80=93 =
December 1966) had a similar badge that <u>was not cloisonn=C3=A9 but =
was painted red instead of the =
cloisonn=C3=A9</u>.</span></i></span><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></i><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:bookmanoldstyle;color:black'>These =
later badges have a smooth background instead of the pebbled background =
of <span class=3Dgmail-fontstyle0>the enameled badges." =
</span></span></i><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Change to =
read<i> <b>"</b></i></span><span =
class=3Dgmail-fontstyle0><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:bookmanoldstyle;color:black'>was =
not enamel but was painted red instead of the =
enamel."</span></i></b></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Karla Maxwell, a trained jeweler =
with 45+ years experience who owns Maxwell Enamels will tell you, as she =
told me 25 years ago that automotive badges are enamel and NOT =
Cloisonne. Karla is the premier automotive emblem restorer in the =
US, is in high demand for Pebble Beach participants, is a neighbor and =
personal friend of 25+ years. Karla has restored a number of badges =
personally for me, and I have done some Bakelite restoration work for =
Karla for Pebble Beach cars that she was working on. Oh, and =
Karla's business is Maxwell Enamels NOT Maxwell Cloisonne. In the =
UK the best known badge restorer is PD Enamels, NOT PD =
Cloisonne.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I =
hope that this clears things up once and for =
all.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>This is from Karla's FAQ section =
of her website... <a =
href=3D"http://www.maxwellenamels.com/FAQs.html";>http://www.maxwellenamel=
s.com/FAQs.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div =
id=3Dgmail-content1><p =
style=3D'margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B1A7A'=
>FAQ... How was my emblem created? </span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>T=
hese enameled emblems are often, <b><span =
style=3D'background:yellow'>incorrectly</span>, referred to as =
<i>cloisonn=C3=A9</i></b>. Cloisonn=C3=A9 is an enamel process in which =
separate bands of metal are bent then applied to a base. These labor =
intensive bands encase the enamel and create the design. <span =
style=3D'background:yellow'>I have yet to see an automobile emblem done =
with cloisonn=C3=A9.</span> The process that is used is called =
<i>champlev=C3=A9</i> (pronounced shomp=C2=B4-leh-vay).</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>T=
he champlev=C3=A9 technique involves applying enamel into depressions in =
the base metal. These depressions may be etched, engraved or, in the =
case of automobile emblems, die stamped. The stamping process can also =
include the beautiful design work that shows under transparent =
enamels.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>H=
istorically the word enamel meant glass but today it seems to refer to =
any shiny color. The correct terminology is <i>vitreous</i> [glass] =
enamel. It is a true glass that melts and fuses around 1400 degrees =
F. Enamel can be obtained as opaque, translucent or transparent. =
The colors are created by the addition of metallic oxides to the =
glass.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
br></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
</div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 8:31 PM =
Gary R. Brierton <<a =
href=3D"mailto:gbrierton@hotmail.com";>gbrierton@hotmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>OK...let's try and clear this =
up. As I understand it, the "flat wings with the =
Austin-Healey script" commonly seen on BN1, BN2 and (I don't know =
when it stopped), had red paint of unknown shade in the etched out =
lettering. Along came the larger badges with MKII or whatever, in =
</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'>cloisonne</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>. THEN, to really screw us up, =
those badges returned to red paint of unknown shade, seemingly during =
BJ8 production. As was true with almost everything involving our =
cars, the exact change VIN number for all of this is largely =
indeterminate, at least as far as trim pieces are concerned...oh, and =
some major body parts, like wings with one or two signaling =
lights, swag lines, whatever. Reliable reports (from D.M.H.!) =
state that the guiding principle in assembling our cars was "use up =
what was on hand".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I claim =
no expertise beyond owning Austin-Healeys and associating with their =
owners for over 50 years (so, mainly the 6 cylinder =
cars).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Take it away, Curt, Randy, Steve, =
et. al.</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'>😁</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
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