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*"The internal stresses resulting from the hydraulic clamping forces might
be a more likely source."*
This statement had me wondering as it sounded like quite a plausible
explanation for the leakage issue that people are experiencing at the
overdrive clutch ring joint however, sadly, if one studies where the
hydraulic pressures are applied in the overdrive unit it becomes quite
apparent that the hydraulic forces serve to pull the clutch ring in toward
the forward casing of the overdrive during overdrive operation which makes
the joint tighter.
During "normal" non overdrive operation the 8 springs in the unit do tend
to push the rear housing away from the clutch ring but that force is not
that great as it is only required, by way of the cone clutch, to overcome
overrun loads. Probably less than 150 lbs.
All that said however I can certainly understand what Andy is saying about
the likelihood of leakage occurring when the joint is assembled dry as per
the Workshop Manual..
Installing gasket(s) between the casings and the clutch ring will affect
the sunwheel end float which is specified as 0.008" to 0.014" but adding a
thicker end float adjusting washer could take care of that, if you can find
an appropriate one.
I would imagine that sparing use of sealant alone would have little or no
effect on the end float.
Michael S
BN1 #174
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 1:05 PM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <YNOTINK@msn.com> wrote:
> Hmmm! sorry for opening a can of worms, but I've found the responses very
> enlightening. On the topic of stress inducing the leaks due to the positi=
on
> of the hold-back link I took a look at my transmission/OD (BN1) and the
> holdback is attached to the trans to OD adapter plate. I suppose it might
> be a problem for the later models if the holdback is located on the rear =
OD
> housing, but there shouldn't be any stress from that source at the brake
> ring location for the BN1.
>
>
> The internal stresses resulting from the hydraulic clamping forces might
> be a more likely source.
>
>
> Bill Lawrence
>
> BN1#554
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Roger Grace
> <roggrace@telus.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 8, 2016 4:04:24 PM
> *To:* Michael Salter; Healey List
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
>
> Tks to all for good input.
> Wondering if anyone has thoughts why factory never installed a gasket at
> this flange joint ?
> Any negatives about retro-fitting one after 50 years ?
> rg
>
>
> *From:* Michael Salter
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 6, 2016 9:38 AM
> *To:* Healey List
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
>
> Out of interest I just did the calculations for the change in length of
> the studs in this case.
> Assuming:
> 4 x 5/16" dia studs with an effective diameter of 0.25" each (thread root=
)
> and a length of 3" (in actual fact only the bottom pair are that long).
> 0.8 G of braking (which is probably way higher than our tires can
> generate)
> Young's Modulus of 30,000,000 @ 100 degrees F
> 700 lbs of engine and gearbox (which is probably very high considering
> that the the mounts are all rubber and the main engine mounts would absor=
b
> a fair bit as well)
> Works out to about 0.00028" of stretch.
> That's less than 10% of a human hair and only during panic braking if the
> tie rod is the only thing resisting the load.
> I think that there must be other contributing factors...
> Michael S
> BN1 #174
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Bluehealey <bluehealey@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Team.
>>
>> I can agree that a good goo between the mating faces is important and th=
e
>> Japanese Motorcycle manufacturers will probably have the solution nailed=
.
>> The root cause however isn=E2=80=99t necessarily pressure, flange flatne=
ss, or goo
>> failure.
>>
>> It is more likely that the rear reaction strut (not sure what else to
>> call it) causes the joint to flex a little and open every time the car
>> slows under braking. My theory and the solution I adopted can be found
>> here:
>>
>> http://www.bluehealey.com/Struts.html
>>
>> No leaks from my gearbox.
>>
>>
>>
>> AlanB
>>
>> [image: cid:image001.png@01D18856.FC90FB60]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *R=
oger
>> Grace
>> *Sent:* 05 November 2016 21:02
>> *To:* David Porter; Healey List
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry to reopen this, but have this same leak in my BJ8 OD and fixing it
>> is one of my Winter projects.
>>
>> Given that the black sealant stuff that was used before didn=E2=80=99t l=
ast (have
>> no idea how long ago or what it is) and that there is no oil pressure on
>> the joint, am sensitive to using what is the appropriate goo that will l=
ast
>> and contain the oil.
>>
>> Have done some checking around and the Hylomar universal blue is used by
>> some shops that fix OD=E2=80=99s.
>>
>> Overdrive Services (ex Laycock people in UK) tell me that the originals
>> were sealed with a product called Wellseal.
>>
>> Nowadays they use a Wurth sealant that mentions flange mating in its
>> website blurb.
>>
>> BTW they said that they could supply me with a gasket for this joint tha=
t
>> seems like a good idea ?
>>
>>
>>
>> The reality is that these are 2 Al flanges that are mated without a
>> gasket. I wonder why ?. Plan to do some careful flatness checking when h=
ave
>> my hands on them. Has anyone had a problem with the mating flatness ? =
do
>> they have a tendency to warp over the years and maybe abuse too ? given =
the
>> shape not easy to machine flat - why do they leak ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Comments/ideas please.
>>
>> rg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* David Porter
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 26, 2016 7:15 AM
>>
>> *To:* Bob Spidell ; John Spaur
>>
>> *Cc:* healeys
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
>>
>>
>>
>> seems like any RTV that is oil compliant will work. There is no internal
>> pressure that will force oil out. The oil level in the OD is just above =
the
>> operating shaft level, hence the need for the o-rings on the shaft.
>>
>> DaveP adding to the wisdom....
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/26/2016 7:40 AM, Bob Spidell wrote:
>>
>> Soooooooo ... both types of Hylomar WILL seal the joint?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From: *"John Spaur" mailto:jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net
>> *To: *"WILLIAM B LAWRENCE" mailto:YNOTINK@msn.com, "healeys"
>> mailto:healeys@autox.team.net
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 25, 2016 8:27:53 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
>>
>>
>>
>> In my experiences neither of the two types Hylomar will not seal that
>> joint.
>>
>>
>>
>> John Spaur
>>
>> San Jose
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *W=
ILLIAM
>> B LAWRENCE
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:26 PM
>> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
>> *Subject:* [Healeys] Overdrive Question
>>
>>
>>
>> =E2=80=A6disassembly of the OD because it is seeping oil at the clutch r=
ing.
>> There are no gaskets, but I would like to smear some Hylomar on the join=
t
>> faces to stop the leak.
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><i>"The internal stresses resulting =
from the hydraulic clamping forces might be a more likely source."</i>=
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,s=
ans-serif;font-size:small">This statement had me wondering as it sounded li=
ke quite a plausible explanation for the leakage issue that people are expe=
riencing at the overdrive clutch ring joint however, sadly, if one studies =
where the hydraulic pressures are applied in the overdrive unit it becomes =
quite apparent that the hydraulic forces serve to pull the clutch ring in t=
oward the forward casing of the overdrive during overdrive operation which =
makes the joint tighter.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">During "normal"=
; non overdrive operation the 8 springs in the unit do tend to push the rea=
r housing away from the clutch ring but that force is not that great as it =
is only required, by way of the cone clutch, to overcome overrun loads. Pro=
bably less than 150 lbs.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">All that said however I =
can certainly understand what Andy is saying about the likelihood of leakag=
e occurring when the joint is assembled dry as per the Workshop Manual..<br=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans=
-serif;font-size:small">Installing gasket(s) between the casings and the cl=
utch ring will affect the sunwheel end float which is specified as 0.008&qu=
ot; to 0.014" but adding a thicker end float adjusting washer could ta=
ke care of that, if you can find an appropriate one.<br></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:sma=
ll">I would imagine that sparing use of sealant alone would have little or =
no effect on the end float.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Michael S<br></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:small">BN1 #174<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 1:0=
5 PM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:YNOTINK@ms=
n.com" target=3D"_blank">YNOTINK@msn.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div id=3D"m_501826429824431536divtagdefaultwrapper" style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;color:#000000;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" dir=3D"ltr"=
>
<p>Hmmm! sorry for opening a can of worms, but I've found the responses=
very enlightening. On the topic of stress inducing the leaks due to the po=
sition of the hold-back link I took a look at my transmission/OD (BN1)=C2=
=A0and the holdback is attached to the trans
to OD adapter plate. I suppose it might be a problem for the later models =
if the holdback is located on the rear=C2=A0OD housing, but there shouldn&#=
39;t be any stress from that source=C2=A0at the brake ring location=C2=A0fo=
r the BN1.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>The internal stresses resulting from the hydraulic clamping forces might=
be a more likely source.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Bill Lawrence</p>
<p>BN1#554</p>
</div>
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id=3D"m_501826429824431536divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> H=
ealeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">healeys-bounces@autox.team.<wbr>net</a>> on behalf of Roger Grace &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; target=3D"_blank">roggrace@telus.ne=
t</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 8, 2016 4:04:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Salter; Healey List<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question</div></div></font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Comic Sans MS';COLOR:#000=
000">
<div>Tks to all for good input.</div>
<div>Wondering if anyone has thoughts why factory never installed a gasket =
at this flange joint ?</div>
<div>Any negatives about retro-fitting one after 50 years ?</div>
<div>rg</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibr=
i";FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline">
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt tahoma">
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"michaelsalter@gmail.com">Michael Salter</a>
</div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 6, 2016 9:38 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"healeys@autox.team.net">Healey List</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibr=
i";FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">
Out of interest I just did the calculations for the change in length of the=
studs in this case.<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">
Assuming:<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">
4 x 5/16" dia studs with an effective diameter of 0.25" each (thr=
ead root) and a length of 3" (in actual fact only the bottom pair are =
that long).<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">
0.8 G of braking (which is probably way higher than our tires can generate)=
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">
Young's Modulus of 30,000,000 @ 100 degrees F<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">
700 lbs of engine and gearbox (which is probably very high considering that=
the the mounts are all rubber and the main engine mounts would absorb a fa=
ir bit as well)<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">
Works out to about 0.00028" of stretch. <br>
That's less than 10% of a human hair and only during panic braking if t=
he tie rod is the only thing resisting the load.<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">
I think that there must be other contributing factors...<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">
Michael S<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">
BN1 #174 <br>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Bluehealey <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">
<<a>bluehealey@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;BORDER-LEFT:#cc=
c 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div vlink=3D"#954F72" link=3D"#0563C1" bgcolor=3D"white" lang=3D"EN-GB">
<div class=3D"m_501826429824431536m_8461640192785312872WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">Team.<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">I can agree that a good goo=
between the mating faces is important and the Japanese Motorcycle manufact=
urers will probably have the solution nailed.=C2=A0 The
root cause however isn=E2=80=99t necessarily pressure, flange flatness, or=
goo failure.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">It is more likely that the =
rear reaction strut (not sure what else to call it) causes the joint to fle=
x a little and open every time the car slows under
braking.=C2=A0 My theory and the solution I adopted can be found here:<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d"><a href=3D"http://www.blueh=
ealey.com/Struts.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.bluehealey.com/Stru<wbr=
>ts.html</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">No leaks from my gearbox.<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:windowtext"><u></u><u></u></span>=C2=
=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">AlanB<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR:#1f497d"><img id=3D"m_501826429=
824431536m_8461640192785312872Picture_x0020_1" alt=3D"cid:image001.png@01D1=
8856.FC90FB60" src=3D"cid:5A1706C65FB64658A3E8FCF229534269@WINDOWST93OFP9" =
width=3D"192" border=3D"0" height=3D"87"></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span>=C2=A0=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span>=C2=A0=
</p>
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BOTTOM:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0cm;PADDING-TOP:3pt;PADDING-LEFT:0cm;BORD=
ER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-RIGHT:0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"T=
ahoma","sans-serif";COLOR:windowtext" lang=3D"EN-US">From:</=
span></b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","=
;sans-serif";COLOR:windowtext" lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys [mailto:<a>heal=
eys-bounces@autox.<wbr>team.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Grace<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 05 November 2016 21:02<br>
<b>To:</b> David Porter; Healey List</span></p>
<div>
<div class=3D"m_501826429824431536h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question<u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Comic Sans MS"=
">Sorry to reopen this, but have this same leak in my BJ8 OD and fixing it =
is one of my Winter projects.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Comic Sans MS"=
">Given that the black sealant stuff that was used before didn=E2=80=99t la=
st (have no idea how long ago or what it is) and that there is no oil press=
ure on the joint, am sensitive to using what is the appropriate
goo that will last and contain the oil.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Comic Sans MS"=
">Have done some checking around and the Hylomar universal blue is used by =
some shops that fix OD=E2=80=99s.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Comic Sans MS"=
">Overdrive Services (ex Laycock people in UK) tell me that the originals w=
ere sealed with a product called Wellseal.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Comic Sans MS"=
">Nowadays they use a Wurth sealant that mentions flange mating in its webs=
ite blurb.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Comic Sans MS"=
">BTW they said that they could supply me with a gasket for this joint that=
seems like a good idea ?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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"><u></u><u></u></span>=C2=A0</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Comic Sans MS"=
">The reality is that these are 2 Al flanges that are mated without a gaske=
t. I wonder why ?. Plan to do some careful flatness checking when have my h=
ands on them.=C2=A0 Has anyone had a problem with
the mating flatness ?=C2=A0 do they have a tendency to warp over the years=
and maybe abuse too ? given the shape not easy to machine flat - why do th=
ey leak ?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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">Comments/ideas please.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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">rg<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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NT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</=
span></b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","=
;sans-serif""> David Porter
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Sent:</=
span></b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","=
;sans-serif""> Wednesday, October 26, 2016 7:15 AM<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">To:</sp=
an></b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","s=
ans-serif""> Bob Spidell ; John Spaur
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Cc:</sp=
an></b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","s=
ans-serif""> healeys
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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NT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Subject=
:</span></b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma",&q=
uot;sans-serif""> Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
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<p><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif"">s=
eems like any RTV that is oil compliant will work. There is no internal pre=
ssure that will force oil out. The oil level in the OD is just above the op=
erating shaft level, hence the need for the o-rings on
the shaft.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif"">D=
aveP adding to the wisdom....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","=
;sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span>=C2=A0</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","=
;sans-serif"">On 10/26/2016 7:40 AM, Bob Spidell wrote:<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"">Soooooooo ... both types of Hylomar WILL seal the joint?<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
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"sans-serif"">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Helvetica","sans-seri=
f"">"John Spaur" <a>
mailto:jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net</a><br>
<b>To: </b>"WILLIAM B LAWRENCE" <a>mailto:YNOTINK@msn.com</a>, &q=
uot;healeys"
<a>mailto:healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, October 25, 2016 8:27:53 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">In my experiences neither o=
f the two types Hylomar will not seal that joint.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u>=C2=A0</p>
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bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">John Spaur</span><u></u><u>=
</u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">San Jose</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
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BOTTOM:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0cm;PADDING-TOP:3pt;PADDING-LEFT:0cm;BORD=
ER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-RIGHT:0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Healeys [<=
a>mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.<wbr>team.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>WILLIAM B LAWRENCE<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Overdrive Question</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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LOR:#1f497d">=E2=80=A6</span><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"">disassembly of the OD because it is seeping oil at=
the clutch ring. There are no gaskets, but I would like to smear some Hylo=
mar on
the joint faces to stop the leak. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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