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Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining

To: David Gott <triumphsix@yahoo.com>, David Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>, Mark Cook <mecook@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining
From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 17:32:48 -0700 (PDT)
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Excuse me for not commenting specifically about the rear shoes.  I also use=
 standard street shoes from Moss on the back of my TR3 with Datsun aluminum=
 drums.  No problems at all.  Little wear as well.  I=E2=80=99ve changed th=
e front pads a number of times in comparison during my relatively short rac=
ing years.
Dave H.

> On 05/23/2024 3:55 PM PDT David Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> I=E2=80=99m using stock shoes in the back of my TR4; seems to work OK!  :=
-) and yes, I=E2=80=99m typically braking pretty late and hard.
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> I=E2=80=99m curious if anyone gets any real temperature on the rear brake=
s?  Mine seem just a little warm coming off track=E2=80=A6.  But maybe othe=
rs have cooked stock compound shoes?
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> On Thursday, May 23, 2024, 6:47 PM, Mark Cook via Fot <fot@autox.team.net=
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> > Seems like there are several options for front brake pads, just not man=
y for the rear brake shoes.  Outside of stock compounds for brake shoes whi=
ch are not compatible for racing, racing compounds seem limited to Porterfi=
eld R-4, Carbotech, maybe Racetorations and Cambridge Motorsports' "uprated=
 Mintex" shoes.  I understand Revington might make something.  Problem is n=
ot knowing the temp specs and torque/bite on these latter shoes based on th=
e website descriptions.
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> > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2024 5:27 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech rel=
ining
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> > I loved the Carbotech pads when I was using them on my GT6 for track da=
ys.  I never had the odd wear problems that have been described.  I always =
used the Hawk Blues on my Spitfire racer and liked those as well, though th=
ey didn't have to deal with the same heat as was generated by my GT6 brakes=
 at Blackhawk.  The Hawk Blues I use on my Spec Racer Ford also work really=
 well and stand up to enough heat to turn the rotors blue.  If you're unhap=
py with the Carbotech pads, the Hawk Blues are a good option, in my opinion=
.
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> > From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net=
> On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot
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> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech rel=
ining
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> > I agree. I get the pre-heated ones too. Carbotech stops as well or bett=
er, and last longer than any other pads I=EF=BF=BDve tried, and I=EF=BF=BDv=
e tried quite a few.
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > > On May 23, 2024, at 4:10=EF=BF=BDPM, finishing Touch via Fot <fot@aut=
ox.team.net mailto:fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> > > ?I'm on my 3rd set of Carbotech front pads for my TR6 race car and ne=
ver had any issues....I do spend the extra $ and have them pre-bedded.
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> > > Mike Kurtz
> > > #51 TR6
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   Excuse me for not commenting specifically about the rear shoes. &nbsp;I =
also use standard street shoes from Moss on the back of my TR3 with Datsun =
aluminum drums. &nbsp;No problems at all. &nbsp;Little wear as well. &nbsp;=
I=E2=80=99ve changed the front pads a number of times in comparison during =
my relatively short racing years.
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tica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">
   Dave H.
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    On 05/23/2024 3:55 PM PDT David Gott via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;=
 wrote:
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    &nbsp;
   </div> I=E2=80=99m using stock shoes in the back of my TR4; seems to wor=
k OK! &nbsp;:-) and yes, I=E2=80=99m typically braking pretty late and hard=
.=20
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    &nbsp;
   </div>=20
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    I=E2=80=99m curious if anyone gets any real temperature on the rear bra=
kes? &nbsp;Mine seem just a little warm coming off track=E2=80=A6. &nbsp;Bu=
t maybe others have cooked stock compound&nbsp;shoes?
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    Dave G
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      Seems like there are several options for front brake pads, just not m=
any for the rear brake shoes.&nbsp; Outside of stock compounds for brake sh=
oes which are not compatible for racing, racing compounds seem limited to P=
orterfield R-4, Carbotech, maybe Racetorations and Cambridge Motorsports' "=
uprated Mintex" shoes.&nbsp; I understand Revington might make something.&n=
bsp; Problem is not knowing the temp specs and torque/bite on these latter =
shoes based on the website descriptions.
      <br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">Will share anything new that I learn.
      <br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">Thanks
      <br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">Mark
      <br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">-----Original Message-----
      <br clear=3D"none">From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On B=
ehalf Of Barr, Scott via Fot
      <br clear=3D"none">Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2024 5:27 PM
      <br clear=3D"none">To: Scott Janzen; finishing Touch
      <br clear=3D"none">Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:FOT@autox.team.net"; shape=3D=
"rect">FOT@autox.team.net</a> <a href=3D"mailto:FOT@autox.team.net"; shape=
=3D"rect">FOT@autox.team.net</a>
      <br clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake =
Shoes - Carbotech relining
      <br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">I loved the Carbotech pads when I was using them o=
n my GT6 for track days.&nbsp; I never had the odd wear problems that have =
been described.&nbsp; I always used the Hawk Blues on my Spitfire racer and=
 liked those as well, though they didn't have to deal with the same heat as=
 was generated by my GT6 brakes at Blackhawk.&nbsp; The Hawk Blues I use on=
 my Spec Racer Ford also work really well and stand up to enough heat to tu=
rn the rotors blue.&nbsp; If you're unhappy with the Carbotech pads, the Ha=
wk Blues are a good option, in my opinion.
      <br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">Scott (B.)
      <br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">-----Original Message-----
      <br clear=3D"none">From: Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.=
team.net" shape=3D"rect">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Sc=
ott Janzen via Fot
      <br clear=3D"none">Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2024 4:02 PM
      <br clear=3D"none">To: finishing Touch &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fintouch=
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      <br clear=3D"none">Cc: Mark Cook via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@au=
tox.team.net" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
      <br clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake =
Shoes - Carbotech relining
      <br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">I agree. I get the pre-heated ones too. Carbotech =
stops as well or better, and last longer than any other pads I=EF=BF=BDve t=
ried, and I=EF=BF=BDve tried quite a few.
      <br clear=3D"none">Sent from my iPhone
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      <br clear=3D"none">&gt; On May 23, 2024, at 4:10=EF=BF=BDPM, finishin=
g Touch via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; shape=3D"rect">fo=
t@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
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      <br clear=3D"none">&gt; ?I'm on my 3rd set of Carbotech front pads fo=
r my TR6 race car and never had any issues....I do spend the extra $ and ha=
ve them pre-bedded.
      <br clear=3D"none">&gt;=20
      <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Mike Kurtz
      <br clear=3D"none">&gt; #51 TR6
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