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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I chose AFFF because it was said to be more=
effective in open cars.<div><br></div><div>Gas would just blow away, partic=
ularly at speed. </div><div><br></div><div><br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginni=
ngOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Brad Eells<div>Sent from my iPhone</div></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Feb 21, 2024, at 3:26=E2=
=80=AFPM, Hank Giffin via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:<br><br></blo=
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oNormal">AFFF is very caustic and is used on navy ships to smother fires in e=
ngineering spaces. Not really suitable for cars if you want to reuse t=
he car. It=E2=80=99s a mess to clean up.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"> Hank (33 years in Navy =E2=80=93 served on 7=
ships)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:s=
olid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:=
</b> Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>R. John Lye v=
ia Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 21, 2024 10:53 AM<br><b>To:</b> v=
fracing@aol.com; fot@autox.team.net; joealexandervintage@gmail.com; kknight@=
klaenv.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] *****SPAM***** Re: Heads Up! Fire Sy=
stem Requirements for Kastner Cup<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Not to men=
tion the potential for firefighter cancer claims, and worker's comp lawsuits=
.<br><br>John<br><br> <br><br>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:03:08 +000=
0 (UTC), vfracing--- via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@a=
utox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sa=
ns-serif;color:black">Another word to the wise:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"=
;Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Ari=
al",sans-serif;color:black">Some of the two-pull systems use AFFF. &nbs=
p;This is a good fire fighting agent, but by no means the only one. AFF=
F contains PFAS, which is a man-made family of chemicals coming under increa=
sing scrutiny for causing health issues. If you use this and dispose o=
f it improperly it could come back to bite you. Fighting a fire with A=
FFF is costing our Town hundreds of thousands of dollars in tracking contami=
nation plumes and treating the wells in affected homes.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Arial",sans-serif;color:black">See <a href=3D"https://www.con=
sumernotice.org/environmental/afff/" target=3D"_blank">Aqueous Film Forming =
Foam (AFFF) | Toxicity, Exposures and Illnesses</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
div id=3D"ydp9267b53cenhancr_card_9353465361"><table class=3D"MsoNormalTable=
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in"><table class=3D"MsoNormalTable" border=3D"1" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpaddi=
ng=3D"0" style=3D"max-width:300.0pt;border:solid #E0E4E9 1.0pt"><tbody><tr s=
tyle=3D"height:105.0pt"><td valign=3D"top" style=3D"border:none;background:b=
lack;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:105.0pt"><table class=3D"MsoNormalTable"=
border=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" width=3D"100%" style=3D"wi=
dth:100.0%"><tbody><tr><td valign=3D"top" style=3D"padding:0in 0in 0in 0in">=
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e=3D"padding:11.25pt 0in 0in 11.25pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:=
p></p></td><td valign=3D"top" style=3D"padding:11.25pt 11.25pt 0in 0in"><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"right" style=3D"text-align:right"> <o:=
p></o:p></p></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td><=
/tr><tr><td style=3D"border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;border-radius:0 0 0=
2px"><div align=3D"center"><table class=3D"MsoNormalTable" border=3D"1" cel=
lspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" style=3D"max-width:300.0pt;background:white=
;border:none;border-top:solid #E0E4E9 1.0pt;background-size: auto;border-rad=
ius: 0px 0px 2px 2px;background-attachment:scroll;z-index:2"><tbody><tr><td v=
align=3D"top" style=3D"border:none;padding:12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 9.0pt"><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></td>=
<td width=3D"99%" style=3D"width:99.0%;border:none;padding:9.0pt .25in 12.0p=
t 9.0pt;border-radius:0 0 2px 0"><h2 style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-=
right:0in;margin-bottom:4.5pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:14.25pt"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#1D=
2228"><a href=3D"https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/afff/"; target=3D=
"_blank"><span style=3D"color:black;text-decoration:none">Aqueous Film Formi=
ng Foam (AFFF) | Toxicity, Exposures and Illnesses</span></a><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></h2><p class=3D"ydp9267b53ccard-description" style=3D"margin:0in;line-he=
ight:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI"=
,sans-serif;color:#979EA8"><a href=3D"https://www.consumernotice.org/environ=
mental/afff/" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:black;text-decoration:n=
one">Aqueous film forming foam (AFFF) is a fire suppressant used to fight fl=
ammable liquid fires. Toxic chemicals in ...</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p=
></td></tr></tbody></table></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody=
></table></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
/div><div id=3D"yahoo_quoted_8757662741"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;c=
olor:#26282A">On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 05:39:57 PM EST, Mordy Dunst &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gasket.works@gte.net";>gasket.works@gte.net</a>> wrot=
e:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=3D"yiv8158045542"><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica=
",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Im with Ken=E2=80=A6 <o:p></o:p></span></p>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Mordy<br><br> <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><a href=3D"https://app=
s.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661" target=3D"_blan=
k">Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helveti=
ca",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3D"y=
iv8158045542yqt35937"><p class=3D"yiv8158045542yahoo-quoted-begin" style=3D"=
margin-top:0in"><span style=3D"font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica&=
quot;,sans-serif;color:#715FFA">On Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 1:49 PM, Ken K=
night via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</=
a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;mar=
gin-bottom:5.0pt"><div id=3D"yiv8158045542"><div><div><p class=3D"yiv8158045=
542msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">So with a very short time get this done, this i=
s the New rule? Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have bee=
n a winter project. Some of this is not hard but sending your system o=
ff to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these time=
s. So what is the alternative, buy a new system? Some of us have=
already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a sh=
ort turn around until Sonoma. Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as=
far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p><p class=3D"yiv8158045542msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"yiv8158045542msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">We were encourag=
ed to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption tha=
t if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as i=
s. Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit w=
ell. No one wants to be unsafe, I don=E2=80=99t think the rule is that=
unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.<o:p></o:p></=
span></p><p class=3D"yiv8158045542msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3D"yiv8158045542msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Ken<o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3D"yiv8158045542msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"yiv8158045542msonormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Sent f=
rom <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986"; target=3D"_=
blank">Mail</a> for Windows<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"yiv8158045542ms=
onormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",s=
ans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3D"yiv815804554=
2yqt15940"><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:=
3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"yiv8158045542msonormal"><b><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">From:=
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"=
;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"><a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"=
_blank">vfracing--- via Fot</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, February 20, 2024 1=
2:46 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank=
">FOT Triumph</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirement=
s for Kastner Cup<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3D"yiv8158045542msonor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-=
serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div id=3D"yiv81580455=
42ydpcd388636yiv1885551611"><div><div><div><p class=3D"yiv8158045542msonorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;=
color:#26282A">Advanced warning:</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8158045542msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">The SVRA rules o=
n fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanction=
ing bodies such as VRG. Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and t=
hey must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the ot=
her accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car.  =
;Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years. Note that the=
se are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)</span><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;co=
lor:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8158045542msono=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-ser=
if;color:#26282A"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"yiv8158045542msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font=
-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">For more detail, please s=
ee Section L of Safety Requirements at <a href=3D"https://svra.com/wp-c=
ontent/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf" target=3D"_blank">https:=
//svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf</a>.</span=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-seri=
f;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8158045542m=
sonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans=
-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"yiv8158045542msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;=
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Regards,</span><span=
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;colo=
r:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8158045542msonorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif=
;color:#26282A"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></d=
iv></div></div></div><p class=3D"yiv8158045542msonormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Phil Go=
tt</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",s=
ans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3D"yiv81580455=
42msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica&quo=
t;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><=
div id=3D"yiv8158045542yqt66407"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">____=
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