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Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

To: Brad Eells <tr4abrad@gmail.com>, Ken Knight <kknight@klaenv.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
From: Mike Jackson via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 22:47:13 +0000
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How do you have multiple actuation mechanisms?  I have a brand new =
FireBottle system and it has one handle that unleashes the pressure in the =
bottle by pulling the wire that pins the valve.


From: Brad Eells <tr4abrad@gmail.com>
Sent: Feb 20, 2024 5:32 PM
To: Ken Knight <kknight@klaenv.com>
Cc: FOT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

Interesting, as this may be an issue for the K-Cup this year. Running at =
Sonoma with SVRA 8 weeks from now.=20
That said, when rebuilding the Spitfire, I chose an SPA aqueous foam system=
 with 4 distribution nozzles and 3 actuators; one outside, one on the dash =
and the bottle handle itself.
Brad EellsSent from my iPhone


On Feb 20, 2024, at 3:31=E2=80=AFPM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot@autox.team.=
net> wrote:


So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?  Had we =
known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.  Some of=
 this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification =
could very well be a major problem in these times.  So what is the =
alternative, buy a new system?  Some of us have already committed to race =
with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until =
Sonoma.  Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to =
mention a potential large expense.

We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under =
the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be =
allowed to run as is.  Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last =
minute does not sit well.  No one wants to be unsafe, I don&rsquo;t think =
the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is =
unreasonable.

Ken

Sent from Mail (https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986) for =
Windows

From: vfracing--- via Fot (mailto:fot@autox.team.net)
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
To: FOT Triumph (mailto:fot@autox.team.net)
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup


Advanced warning:

The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of =
the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG.  Notably, plumbed in systems are =
required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the =
driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean =
into the car.  Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years.  =
Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year =
(2024)

=20

For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at =
https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.

=20

Regards,

=20





Phil Gott


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<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"=
><p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">How do you have multiple =
actuation mechanisms?&nbsp; I have a brand new FireBottle system and it has=
 one handle that unleashes the pressure in the bottle by pulling the wire =
that pins the valve.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div class=3D"elnk-inline-message-container" style=3D"border-left: 1px =
solid #aaa; box-sizing: border-box; padding: 10px 0 10px 15px; margin: =
0;">
<p>From: Brad Eells &lt;tr4abrad@gmail.com&gt;<br>Sent: Feb 20, 2024 5:32 =
PM<br>To: Ken Knight &lt;kknight@klaenv.com&gt;<br>Cc: FOT Triumph =
&lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System =
Requirements for Kastner Cup</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">&nbsp;</p>
Interesting, as this may be an issue for the K-Cup this year. Running at =
Sonoma with SVRA 8 weeks from now.
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>That said, when rebuilding the Spitfire, I chose an SPA aqueous foam =
system with 4 distribution nozzles and 3 actuators; one outside, one on the=
 dash and the bottle handle itself.</div>
<div><br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Brad Eells
<div>Sent from my iPhone</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote>On Feb 20, 2024, at 3:31=E2=80=AFPM, Ken Knight via Fot =
&lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So with a very short time get this done, this is the=
 New rule?&nbsp; Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a =
winter project.&nbsp; Some of this is not hard but sending your system off =
to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.=
&nbsp; So what is the alternative, buy a new system?&nbsp; Some of us have =
already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a =
short turn around until Sonoma.&nbsp; Pretty well leaves us in a major bind=
 as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with =
SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our =
home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.&nbsp; Dropping this =
mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.&nbsp; No one =
wants to be unsafe, I don=E2=80=99t think the rule is that unreasonable, =
but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ken</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.=
com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986">Mail</a> for Windows</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div style=3D"mso-element: para-border-div; border: none; border-top: solid=
 #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border: none; padding: 0in;"><strong>From: =
</strong><a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>vfracing--- via =
Fot</a><br><strong>Sent: </strong>Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 =
PM<br><strong>To: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>FOT =
Triumph</a><br><strong>Subject: </strong>[Fot] Heads Up! Fire System =
Requirements for Kastner Cup</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<div id=3D"ydpcd388636yiv1885551611">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
'Arial',sans-serif;">Advanced warning:</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
'Arial',sans-serif;">The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict =
than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. =
&nbsp;Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two =
activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to=
 a course worker without having to lean into the car. &nbsp;Furthermore, =
they must be re-certified every two years. &nbsp;Note that these are =
requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
'Arial',sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
'Arial',sans-serif;">For more detail, please see Section L of Safety =
Requirements at&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01=
/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">https://sv=
ra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf</a>.=
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
'Arial',sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
'Arial',sans-serif;">Regards,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
'Arial',sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
'Arial',sans-serif;">Phil Gott</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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