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Rust-oleum from any hardware store will do the job. Easy rattle can touch-=
up when you need it. I think I used 2 quarts on my frame, after DP90 epoxy=
primer. It still looks like it did when I finished it 12 or more years ag=
o. Maybe POR as an option for a slightly harder barrier. Good preparation=
is more important than the exterior finish. =20
What are we saving our frames from? They are not daily driven in all clima=
tes and conditions like they were when they were new. Powdercoating is lik=
e dipping the frame in plastic. It is overkill. I guess you could blast s=
ome rust proofing inside the frame rails while you're at it. It will then =
most likely last forever. =20
I've powder coated things like the brake master box to protect it from brak=
e fluid, the roll cage, because it is exposed to lots of potential scratche=
s and scrapes, and my custom made front cross member that the sway bar is b=
olted, because of it's direct exposure to road and track debris. =20
Triumph frames had no primer from the factory. Only a thin coat of black p=
aint. My car's frame had most of it original black paint still in tack. I=
t did have cracks near the front suspension mounts and rust through from th=
e inside at the lower end of the diagonal spring tower support on one side.=
Extra durable paint would have not helped. =20
Dave H.
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> On 09/28/2023 5:13 PM PDT Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote=
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> I used to have SCUBA tanks painted in Imron. They stopped allowing them t=
o be refilled because you couldn't see any cracks/ damage. Keep that in mi=
nd on a race car chassis, you don't want a shiny, hard, paint job to hide s=
tress cracks,
> =20
> mike h
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eam.net mailto:fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> > Hi Joe. When I bought the Imron for my car in 1980, the guy wouldn't s=
ell it to me unless I also bought the respirator he recommended! Strong st=
uff.
> > =20
> > Jack
> > =20
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lexandervintage@gmail.com mailto:joealexandervintage@gmail.com> wrote:
> > =20
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> > In the 70s we were painting John Deere Tractors in DuPont Imron. What w=
asn=E2=80=99t done by robots was done by painters in HazMat Suits.
> >=20
> > Joe Alexander
> > 4505 Donald Dr
> > Cedar Falls, IA 50613
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> > Gasketinnovations.com
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t mailto:fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> > > I don't know if it is even still available, but years ago I painted t=
he frame on my race car with Dupont Imron. It was the most durable paint a=
vailable at the time, and my experience reflected that. The stuff is very =
toxic, so you must use a very good respirator.
> > > =20
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t <fot@autox.team.net mailto:fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> > > Grey will show cracks better than black. POR is the first thing that=
came to mind for me, but it's been YEARS since I used it.
> > >=20
> > > Cheers, Tony
> > >=20
> > > On 9/27/2023 10:21 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote:
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> > > I'd suggest POR 15. Depending on the color, the number changes. I t=
hink 15 is black. Gray is something else, maybe 10. Spray or brush on. I=
've used Rustoleum as the touchup rattle spray cans are perfectly matched t=
o the quart cans, and you can get it just about anywhere. POR products mig=
ht be a little more durable than Rustoleum. If the frame is bare metal, an=
epoxy primer is a good start, but with POR I "think" you can skip the prim=
er. =20
> > > Dave H. =20
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any hardware store will do the job. Easy rattle can touch-up when yo=
u need it. I think I used 2 quarts on my frame, after DP90 epoxy prim=
er. It still looks like it did when I finished it 12 or more years ag=
o. Maybe POR as an option for a slightly harder barrier. Good p=
reparation is more important than the exterior finish. </span>
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ing our frames from? They are not daily driven in all climates and co=
nditions like they were when they were new. Powdercoating is like dip=
ping the frame in plastic. It is overkill. I guess you could bl=
ast some rust proofing inside the frame rails while you're at it. It =
will then most likely last forever. </span>
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; My car's frame had most of it original black paint still in tack. I=
t did have cracks near the front suspension mounts and rust through from th=
e inside at the lower end of the diagonal spring tower support on one side.=
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durable paint available at the time, and my experience reflected that. =
; The stuff is very toxic, so you must use a very good respirator.
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sp; I think 15 is black. Gray is something else, maybe 10. Spra=
y or brush on. I've used Rustoleum as the touchup rattle spray cans a=
re perfectly matched to the quart cans, and you can get it just about anywh=
ere. POR products might be a little more durable than Rustoleum. =
; If the frame is bare metal, an epoxy primer is a good start, but with POR=
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