Re: [Fot] Rear Main Cap

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I was successful in finding a closely matched set for a TR4 block and was ab=
le to get it align bored. We learned the the plane the crankshaft was on was=
 off a bit from the plane that the deck and figure 8=E2=80=99s had, and diff=
erent from the oil pan surface as well.=20

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> On Mar 18, 2023, at 5:15 PM, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
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> Based on how far off the bearing is offset, I wanted to rule out differenc=
es in model years for the 1300.
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> It seems the answer to my original question is that there was considerable=
 variation in engines that came off the assembly line when these cars were m=
ade.
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> Solid evidence of why you don't mismatch bearing caps!
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> Thanks for the input.
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>> On Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 4:44 PM Rick Parent <rick.parent@att.net> wrote:
>> No, you can't fix that without finding a better cap that matches the groo=
ve in the block. I just mentioned the align hone because of the weird lookin=
g bearing wipe on the left side of the cap.
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>> Rick Parent
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>> "Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequen=
ces"
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>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:38:52 PM MST, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot@a=
utox.team.net> wrote:
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>> So are you saying the lack of line honing would cause the bearing offset?=
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>>  Supposedly this block was line honed.
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>> On Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 2:10 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
>> One of the mysteries of a big batch of GT6 parts and cars i picked up som=
e years ago was a box of 50+(!) main caps, which i still have.
>> Also got two blocks (with no caps), but why would anyone separate all the=
se?  Nothing to do but laugh when i discovered them.
>> Box makes a nice heavy doorstop.
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Mar 18, 2023, at 6:27 PM, ralph hansen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
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>>> main caps are machined as a set to the block itself - if you need to rep=
lace a cap, good luck finding a cap with the grooves lining up / if you do g=
et lucky you'll need to get the block and caps line bored to make it all wor=
k properly
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>>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 08:26:23 AM CDT, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot@=
autox.team.net> wrote:
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>>> The image shows the rear main cap and bearing on a small journal 1300.
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>>> As you can see, there is an offset between the two bearing halves.=20
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>>> I was attempting to mix and match parts from my parts bin.
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>>> I'm curious about the source of the offset.  Is there a difference in en=
d caps from year to year on the 1300 or is there a difference from engine to=
 engine when they were manufactured?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I was successful in finding a closely match=
ed set for a TR4 block and was able to get it align bored. We learned the th=
e plane the crankshaft was on was off a bit from the plane that the deck and=
 figure 8=E2=80=99s had, and different from the oil pan surface as well.&nbs=
p;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 18, 2023, at 5:15 PM, Rod Pierce via Fot &lt;f=
ot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">Based on h=
ow far off the bearing is offset, I wanted to rule out differences in model y=
ears for the 1300.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>It seems the answer to m=
y original question is that there was considerable variation in engines that=
 came off the assembly line when these cars were made.<div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto">Solid evidence of why you don't mismatch bearing cap=
s!</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks for the input.<=
/div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 4:44 PM Rick Parent &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rick.par=
ent@att.net">rick.parent@att.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans=
-serif;font-size:16px"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">No, you can't fix that without f=
inding a better cap that matches the groove in the block. I just mentioned t=
he align hone because of the weird looking bearing wipe on the left side of t=
he cap.</div><div><br></div><div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,s=
ans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick Parent</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">"<i>Doing the right thing is always the right th=
ing, regardless of consequences</i>"</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div></div><=
/div></div>
        <div><br></div><div><br></div>
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                    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:38:52 PM MST, Rod Pier=
ce via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"noreferrer">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
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                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"m_-7430944598904451771yiv7329090762"><div><d=
iv>So are you saying the lack of line honing would cause the bearing offset?=
&nbsp;<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>&nbsp;Supposedly this block was lin=
e honed.</div></div><br clear=3D"none"><div><div id=3D"m_-743094459890445177=
1yiv7329090762yqt64227"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 2:10 PM Scott=
 Janzen via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.tea=
m.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>One of the mysteri=
es of a big batch of GT6 parts and cars i picked up some years ago was a box=
 of 50+(!) main caps, which i still have.<div>Also got two blocks (with no c=
aps), but why would anyone separate all these?&nbsp; Nothing to do but laugh=
 when i discovered them.</div><div>Box makes a nice heavy doorstop.<br clear=
=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 18, 2023, at 6=
:27 PM, ralph hansen via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer nore=
ferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">=
fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blo=
ckquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><d=
iv></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">main caps are machined as a set to the block itself=
 - if you need to replace a cap, good luck finding a cap with the grooves li=
ning up / if you do get lucky you'll need to get the block and caps line bor=
ed to make it all work properly</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></d=
iv><div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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        </div><div id=3D"m_-7430944598904451771yiv7329090762m_46783176412496=
48023ydpb811c912yahoo_quoted_9452291401">
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serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a">
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                <div>
                    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 08:26:23 AM CDT, Rod Pier=
ce via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape=3D"r=
ect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net=
</a>&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"m_-7430944598904451771yiv7329090762m_4678317=
641249648023ydpb811c912yiv2893372826"><div>The image shows the rear main cap=
 and bearing on a small journal 1300.<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>As&n=
bsp;you can see, there is an offset between the two bearing halves.&nbsp;</d=
iv><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>I was attempting to mix and match part=
s from my parts bin.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>I'm curious abo=
ut the source of the offset.&nbsp; Is there a difference in end caps from ye=
ar to year on the 1300 or is there a difference from engine to engine when t=
hey were manufactured?</div></div>
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