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I like the Swepco 201-80 weight, we use it in our Spit transmissions and di=
ffs, we also use it in our Cup Car and TA cars. My experience has not been =
good with the Red Line products. I learned about the Swepco oil in the late=
70's, it's what Gurney used in the Indy cars and GTP cars. At the end of t=
he day Autozone gear oil would work so it's really not a difficult decision=
, just pick something and give it a try.
The heat is coming from the diff set up and while oil may help a few degree=
's it will not be the savior of your diff unfortunately.
Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequence=
s"
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On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 06:34:35 PM MST, Enquiries Road & Track=
via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
i offer some comments based on decades of dealing with this issue in lots =
of different race cars=C2=A0
to select=C2=A0the correct viscosity, you really=C2=A0need to know the oper=
ating temperature
Adhesive temp indicating labels on the outside of the main diff case are us=
ually=C2=A0the easiest method. they will give you a good idea of whats=C2=
=A0happening inside
typically, the outer case is a few degrees cooler that the circulating oil,=
so be cautious=C2=A0here as it is most likely a lot "cooler" then the oil =
film between the ring and the pinion at the point of their contact
if you are seeing temps much over 100C on the outer, then the old 90 weight=
diff oils are highly unlikely to acceptable
once most 'off-the-shelf" oils get to about 100C, they are starting to degr=
ade ,=C2=A0 some irrevocably (ie they are stuffed!!)
once you have an idea of temps , start looking at kinematic=C2=A0viscosity =
of the oil being suggested. simplistically, its this value that allow the o=
il to function as a metal to metal separator=C2=A0and the hotter things get=
, the lower the viscosity becomes, and the lower the chance of it keeping m=
etals apart. the various brands of "race oils" can differ widely in this re=
gard
in most=C2=A0modern rear-drive race cars we are using 140 grade purpose-mad=
e race gear oils, and these have all sorts of fancy additives=C2=A0
microfinishing the ring and pinion gears prior to a diff build, can drop wo=
rking temperatures considerably
hope this helps in some way
TerryAustralia
On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 12:35 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wro=
te:
Thank you, everyone!
It would seem that lubes designed for the everyday street-driven car aren't=
up to the challenge of racing our hyping diffs.=C2=A0 I thought the folks =
at Mobil would have done better, but apparently not enough.=C2=A0 I've take=
n all your inputs into consideration and going with the Redline Shockproof =
(lightweight) oil.=C2=A0 I'm also thinking of bolting on the aluminum cover=
of the 4A IRS diff to get a little extra capacity and perhaps some better =
cooling, although the added thickness may offset the higher rate of heat tr=
ansfer through the metal.=C2=A0 Will do the math.
Your insights are much appreciated.
Regards,
Phil GottRed '65 4A, #114
-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Camoletti via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: fot@autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2022 4:38 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
Gents, when heats becomes a problem then you should definitely try the Luca=
s oils. Measure temperatures before and after the change, the difference is=
usually quite big=C2=A0!
=C2=A0
De=C2=A0: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] De la part de fubog1 via =
Fot
Envoy=C3=A9=C2=A0: mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2022 19:25
=C3=80=C2=A0: fot@autox.team.net
Cc=C2=A0: fot@autox.team.net
Objet=C2=A0: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
=C2=A0
Bob you bring up another good point as well, there's a big difference betwe=
en a 20 minute sprint race & an enduro, the heat is a much bigger considera=
tion...
=C2=A0
Glen Efinger
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: fubog1 <fubog1@aol.com>
Cc: fot@autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2022 11:51 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
Good point Glen. Welding up the center section makes the soft yellow metal =
cone washers moot.=C2=A0=20
=C2=A0
I=E2=80=99ve found EP90 GL4 from Car Quest (available from Advance) as a go=
od substitute for StaLube GL4, but it overheats and failed us in endurance =
racing.=C2=A0 It has always worked in the shorter vintage race, and is chea=
p enough the drain and refill often.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:03 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
=EF=BB=BF=20
Welded rear gears aren't that fussy about lube, any good hypoid gear oil sh=
ould be OK;
I usually use 80-90 Valvo in them.
The metal in the sample is a different story, they normally don't "make" an=
y metal in operation.
You'll have to remove the cover & get a visual on things, check the lash, m=
esh pattern & preloads best possible in situ.
=C2=A0
Glen Efinger
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: Friends Of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2022 9:53 pm
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
Amici:
At the risk of opening Pandora=E2=80=99s box, May I ask what gear oil you w=
ould recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil=
1 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt=
Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning=
. The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 g=
ear set.=C2=A0 I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems =E2=80=9Cnormal=
.=E2=80=9D The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.
What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your experien=
ce?
Thanks and regards,
Phil
=C2=A0
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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydp4fa6b0ebyahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px=
;"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I like the Swepco 201-80 wei=
ght, we use it in our Spit transmissions and diffs, we also use it in our C=
up Car and TA cars. My experience has not been good with the Red Line produ=
cts. I learned about the Swepco oil in the late 70's, it's what Gurney used=
in the Indy cars and GTP cars. At the end of the day Autozone gear oil wou=
ld work so it's really not a difficult decision, just pick something and gi=
ve it a try.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The heat is coming from the diff set up and =
while oil may help a few degree's it will not be the savior of your diff un=
fortunately.</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydp4fa6b0ebsignature"><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Rick Parent</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">"<i>D=
oing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences<=
/i>"</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div></div></div></div>
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<div>
On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 06:34:35 PM MST, Enquir=
ies Road & Track via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><div id=3D"yiv7939431619"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">i offe=
r some comments based on decades of dealing with this issue in lots of diff=
erent race cars <div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>to select the =
correct viscosity, you really need to know the operating temperature</=
div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Adhesive temp indicating labels on t=
he outside of the main diff case are usually the easiest method. they =
will give you a good idea of whats happening inside</div><div><br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><div>typically, the outer case is a few degrees cooler tha=
t the circulating oil, so be cautious here as it is most likely a lot =
"cooler" then the oil film between the ring and the pinion at the point of =
their contact</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>if you are seeing tem=
ps much over 100C on the outer, then the old 90 weight diff oils are highly=
unlikely to acceptable</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>once most '=
off-the-shelf" oils get to about 100C, they are starting to degrade , =
some irrevocably (ie they are stuffed!!)</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></di=
v><div>once you have an idea of temps , start looking at kinematic vis=
cosity of the oil being suggested. simplistically, its this value that allo=
w the oil to function as a metal to metal separator and the hotter thi=
ngs get, the lower the viscosity becomes, and the lower the chance of it ke=
eping metals apart. the various brands of "race oils" can differ widely in =
this regard</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>in most modern rea=
r-drive race cars we are using 140 grade purpose-made race gear oils, and t=
hese have all sorts of fancy additives </div><div><br clear=3D"none"><=
/div><div>microfinishing the ring and pinion gears prior to a diff build, c=
an drop working temperatures considerably</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></di=
v><div>hope this helps in some way</div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"yiv7939431619gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Terry</div><div>Australia<br cl=
ear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><=
/div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br clear=3D"none"></div></div><br=
clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv7939431619gmail_quote"><div id=3D"yiv79394=
31619yqt39131" class=3D"yiv7939431619yqt0936000716"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"yiv7939431619gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 12:35 AM Phil Gott via=
Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"=
mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.=
net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex;" class=3D"yiv7939431619gmail_quote"><div style=3D"font-size=
:10pt;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color:black;"><div style=3D"=
font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Thank=
you, everyone!</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif=
;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"font-f=
amily:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">It would se=
em that lubes designed for the everyday street-driven car aren't up to the =
challenge of racing our hyping diffs. I thought the folks at Mobil wo=
uld have done better, but apparently not enough. I've taken all your =
inputs into consideration and going with the Redline Shockproof (lightweigh=
t) oil. I'm also thinking of bolting on the aluminum cover of the 4A =
IRS diff to get a little extra capacity and perhaps some better cooling, al=
though the added thickness may offset the higher rate of heat transfer thro=
ugh the metal. Will do the math.</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial=
, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br clear=3D"none"></d=
iv><div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;co=
lor:black;">Your insights are much appreciated.</div><div style=3D"font-fam=
ily:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br clear=3D"=
none"></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-siz=
e:10pt;color:black;">Regards,</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial, helveti=
ca, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black=
;">Phil Gott</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:10pt;color:black;">Red '65 4A, #114<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"=
none"><br clear=3D"none">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From:=
Alexandre Camoletti via Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" sh=
ape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none"=
>To: <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mail=
to:fot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"=
>fot@autox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"none">Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2022 4:38 am<b=
r clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil<br clear=
=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv7939431619gmail-m_-8028308=
041457436653yiv9509520834"><div><div><p><span style=3D"color:rgb(68,84,106)=
;">Gents, when heats becomes a problem then you should definitely try the L=
ucas oils. Measure temperatures before and after the change, the difference=
is usually quite big !</span></p><p><span style=3D"color:rgb(68,84,10=
6);"> </span></p><p><b><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10pt;">De=
:</span></b><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10pt;"> Fot [mailto:=
<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fo=
t-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@auto=
x.team.net">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>De la part de</b> fubog1 via=
Fot<br clear=3D"none"><b>Envoy=C3=A9 :</b> mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2022=
19:25<br clear=3D"none"><b>=C3=80 :</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener n=
oreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_=
blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a><br clear=
=3D"none"><b>Cc :</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D=
"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mail=
to:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"none"><b>Objet&nb=
sp;:</b> Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil</span></p><p> </p><=
div id=3D"yiv7939431619gmail-m_-8028308041457436653yiv9509520834yqt75679"><=
div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;">Bob you bring up an=
other good point as well, there's a big difference between a 20 minute spri=
nt race & an enduro, the heat is a much bigger consideration...</span><=
/p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;"> </span>=
</p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;">Glen Efinger<=
/span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;"> =
</span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;">  =
;</span></p></div><div><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style=3D"font=
-size:10pt;color:black;">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From:=
Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"m=
ailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">To: =
fubog1 <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com"=
>fubog1@aol.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">Cc: <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener n=
oreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_=
blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a><br clear=
=3D"none">Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2022 11:51 am<br clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [=
Fot] Final drive (differential) oil</span></p><div id=3D"yiv7939431619gmail=
-m_-8028308041457436653yiv9509520834"><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt=
;color:black;">Good point Glen. Welding up the center section makes the sof=
t yellow metal cone washers moot. </span></p><div><p><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10pt;color:black;"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"=
font-size:10pt;color:black;">I=E2=80=99ve found EP90 GL4 from Car Quest (av=
ailable from Advance) as a good substitute for StaLube GL4, but it overheat=
s and failed us in endurance racing. It has always worked in the shor=
ter vintage race, and is cheap enough the drain and refill often. </sp=
an></p><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;"> </span></=
p><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;">Sent from my iPhone</=
span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br clea=
r=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></span></p><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;"><=
span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;">On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:03 AM, fu=
bog1 via Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" yma=
ilto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@aut=
ox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div><p><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10pt;color:black;">=EF=BB=BF </span></p><div id=3D"yiv7939431619gmail-m_-=
8028308041457436653yiv9509520834yqt05668"><div><div><p><span style=3D"font-=
size:10pt;color:black;">Welded rear gears aren't that fussy about lube, any=
good hypoid gear oil should be OK;</span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"=
font-size:10pt;color:black;">I usually use 80-90 Valvo in them.</span></p><=
/div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;">The metal in the s=
ample is a different story, they normally don't "make" any metal in operati=
on.</span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;">You=
'll have to remove the cover & get a visual on things, check the lash, =
mesh pattern & preloads best possible in situ.</span></p></div><div><p>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;"> </span></p></div><div><p=
><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;">Glen Efinger</span></p></div><=
div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;"> </span></p></div>=
<div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;"> </span></p></div=
><div><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:=
black;">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From: Philip Gott via =
Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:fot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.n=
et">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">To: Friends Of Triumph <=
;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:f=
ot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot=
@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2022 9:53 pm<br=
clear=3D"none">Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil</span></p><di=
v><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;">Amici:</span></p></div><di=
v><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;">At the risk of opening Pan=
dora=E2=80=99s box, May I ask what gear oil you would recommend for the rea=
r end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1 75-140 and found some m=
etal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt Race. Usually there are s=
ome whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning. The rear end is a welded=
diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 gear set. I have yet =
to pull the cover. Backlash seems =E2=80=9Cnormal.=E2=80=9D The rear end wa=
s set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.</span></p></div><div><p><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;">What do you all run for oil (brand and=
viscosity) and what is your experience?</span></p></div><div><p><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;">Thanks and regards,</span></p></div><div>=
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;">Phil</span></p></div><div><p=
><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;"> </span></p></div><div><=
p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;">Sent from my iPhone</span></p=
></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black;">________________=
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