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Agreed!
thats a common "fault" on rear drive cars. we typically get the exh pipe
thermal coated or wrap it in that region
On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 7:12 AM Philip Gott <vfracing@aol.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Terry:
> Good advice.
> The situation is not made any easier in my car as the exhaust is only a
> few inches from the differential! Makes a good case for having the exhau=
st
> exit out the side!
> Phil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 11, 2022, at 5:03 PM, Enquiries Road & Track <
> enquiries@roadandtrack.net.au> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> i offer some comments based on decades of dealing with this issue in lots
> of different race cars
>
> to select the correct viscosity, you really need to know the operating
> temperature
>
> Adhesive temp indicating labels on the outside of the main diff case are
> usually the easiest method. they will give you a good idea of
> whats happening inside
>
> typically, the outer case is a few degrees cooler that the circulating
> oil, so be cautious here as it is most likely a lot "cooler" then the oil
> film between the ring and the pinion at the point of their contact
>
> if you are seeing temps much over 100C on the outer, then the old 90
> weight diff oils are highly unlikely to acceptable
>
> once most 'off-the-shelf" oils get to about 100C, they are starting to
> degrade , some irrevocably (ie they are stuffed!!)
>
> once you have an idea of temps , start looking at kinematic viscosity of
> the oil being suggested. simplistically, its this value that allow the oi=
l
> to function as a metal to metal separator and the hotter things get, the
> lower the viscosity becomes, and the lower the chance of it keeping metal=
s
> apart. the various brands of "race oils" can differ widely in this regard
>
> in most modern rear-drive race cars we are using 140 grade purpose-made
> race gear oils, and these have all sorts of fancy additives
>
> microfinishing the ring and pinion gears prior to a diff build, can drop
> working temperatures considerably
>
> hope this helps in some way
>
> Terry
> Australia
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 12:35 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you, everyone!
>>
>> It would seem that lubes designed for the everyday street-driven car
>> aren't up to the challenge of racing our hyping diffs. I thought the fo=
lks
>> at Mobil would have done better, but apparently not enough. I've taken =
all
>> your inputs into consideration and going with the Redline Shockproof
>> (lightweight) oil. I'm also thinking of bolting on the aluminum cover o=
f
>> the 4A IRS diff to get a little extra capacity and perhaps some better
>> cooling, although the added thickness may offset the higher rate of heat
>> transfer through the metal. Will do the math.
>>
>> Your insights are much appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phil Gott
>> Red '65 4A, #114
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alexandre Camoletti via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> To: fot@autox.team.net
>> Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2022 4:38 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>>
>> Gents, when heats becomes a problem then you should definitely try the
>> Lucas oils. Measure temperatures before and after the change, the
>> difference is usually quite big !
>>
>>
>>
>> *De :* Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] *De la part de* fubog1
>> via Fot
>> *Envoy=C3=A9 :* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2022 19:25
>> *=C3=80 :* fot@autox.team.net
>> *Cc :* fot@autox.team.net
>> *Objet :* Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob you bring up another good point as well, there's a big difference
>> between a 20 minute sprint race & an enduro, the heat is a much bigger
>> consideration...
>>
>>
>>
>> Glen Efinger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> To: fubog1 <fubog1@aol.com>
>> Cc: fot@autox.team.net
>> Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2022 11:51 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>>
>> Good point Glen. Welding up the center section makes the soft yellow
>> metal cone washers moot.
>>
>>
>>
>> I=E2=80=99ve found EP90 GL4 from Car Quest (available from Advance) as a=
good
>> substitute for StaLube GL4, but it overheats and failed us in endurance
>> racing. It has always worked in the shorter vintage race, and is cheap
>> enough the drain and refill often.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:03 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB=BF
>>
>> Welded rear gears aren't that fussy about lube, any good hypoid gear oil
>> should be OK;
>>
>> I usually use 80-90 Valvo in them.
>>
>> The metal in the sample is a different story, they normally don't "make"
>> any metal in operation.
>>
>> You'll have to remove the cover & get a visual on things, check the lash=
,
>> mesh pattern & preloads best possible in situ.
>>
>>
>>
>> Glen Efinger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Philip Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> To: Friends Of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2022 9:53 pm
>> Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>>
>> Amici:
>>
>> At the risk of opening Pandora=E2=80=99s box, May I ask what gear oil yo=
u would
>> recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1
>> 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt
>> Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerni=
ng.
>> The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1
>> gear set. I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems =E2=80=9Cnormal.=
=E2=80=9D The rear
>> end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.
>>
>> What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your
>> experience?
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Agreed!=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>thats a common "faul=
t" on rear drive cars. we typically get the exh pipe thermal coated or=
wrap it in that region</div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></=
div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 12, 2=
022 at 7:12 AM Philip Gott <<a href=3D"mailto:vfracing@aol.com";>vfracing=
@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks, Terry:<div>Good advice.</div><div>The sit=
uation is not made any easier in my car as the exhaust is only a few inches=
from the differential!=C2=A0 Makes a good case for having the exhaust exit=
out the side!</div><div>Phil</div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my i=
Phone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 11, 2022, =
at 5:03 PM, Enquiries Road & Track <<a href=3D"mailto:enquiries@road=
andtrack.net.au" target=3D"_blank">enquiries@roadandtrack.net.au</a>> wr=
ote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">i offer some comments based on decades of dealing=
with this issue in lots of different race cars=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>to=
select=C2=A0the correct viscosity, you really=C2=A0need to know the operat=
ing temperature</div><div><br></div><div>Adhesive temp indicating labels on=
the outside of the main diff case are usually=C2=A0the easiest method. the=
y will give you a good idea of whats=C2=A0happening inside</div><div><br></=
div><div>typically, the outer case is a few degrees cooler that the circula=
ting oil, so be cautious=C2=A0here as it is most likely a lot "cooler&=
quot; then the oil film between the ring and the pinion at the point of the=
ir contact</div><div><br></div><div>if you are seeing temps much over 100C =
on the outer, then the old 90 weight diff oils are highly unlikely to accep=
table</div><div><br></div><div>once most 'off-the-shelf" oils get =
to about 100C, they are starting to degrade ,=C2=A0 some irrevocably (ie th=
ey are stuffed!!)</div><div><br></div><div>once you have an idea of temps ,=
start looking at kinematic=C2=A0viscosity of the oil being suggested. simp=
listically, its this value that allow the oil to function as a metal to met=
al separator=C2=A0and the hotter things get, the lower the viscosity become=
s, and the lower the chance of it keeping metals apart. the various brands =
of "race oils" can differ widely in this regard</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>in most=C2=A0modern rear-drive race cars we are using 140 grade pur=
pose-made race gear oils, and these have all sorts of fancy additives=C2=A0=
</div><div><br></div><div>microfinishing the ring and pinion gears prior to=
a diff build, can drop working temperatures considerably</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>hope this helps in some way</div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>Terry</div=
><div>Australia<br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></di=
v></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 12:35 AM =
Phil Gott via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helveti=
ca,sans-serif;color:black"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:black">Thank you, everyone!</div><div style=3D"fo=
nt-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br></div>=
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:b=
lack">It would seem that lubes designed for the everyday street-driven car =
aren't up to the challenge of racing our hyping diffs.=C2=A0 I thought =
the folks at Mobil would have done better, but apparently not enough.=C2=A0=
I've taken all your inputs into consideration and going with the Redli=
ne Shockproof (lightweight) oil.=C2=A0 I'm also thinking of bolting on =
the aluminum cover of the 4A IRS diff to get a little extra capacity and pe=
rhaps some better cooling, although the added thickness may offset the high=
er rate of heat transfer through the metal.=C2=A0 Will do the math.</div><d=
iv style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:bla=
ck"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:10pt;color:black">Your insights are much appreciated.</div><div style=3D"=
font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br></di=
v><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color=
:black">Regards,</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:10pt;color:black"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helve=
tica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black">Phil Gott</div><div style=3D"fo=
nt-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black">Red '6=
5 4A, #114<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Alexandre Camolet=
ti via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@=
autox.team.net</a>><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br>Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2022 4:38 am<br>Su=
bject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil<br><br></div><div id=3D"gma=
il-m_-412229061168828563gmail-m_-8028308041457436653yiv9509520834"><div><di=
v><p><span style=3D"color:rgb(68,84,106)">Gents, when heats becomes a probl=
em then you should definitely try the Lucas oils. Measure temperatures befo=
re and after the change, the difference is usually quite big=C2=A0!</span><=
/p><p><span style=3D"color:rgb(68,84,106)"> =C2=A0</span></p><p><b><span la=
ng=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10pt">De=C2=A0:</span></b><span lang=3D"FR" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10pt"> Fot [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.tea=
m.net" target=3D"_blank">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>De la part de</=
b> fubog1 via Fot<br clear=3D"none"><b>Envoy=C3=A9=C2=A0:</b> mercredi 10 a=
o=C3=BBt 2022 19:25<br clear=3D"none"><b>=C3=80=C2=A0:</b> <a href=3D"mailt=
o:fot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"=
none"><b>Cc=C2=A0:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">fot@autox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"none"><b>Objet=C2=A0:</b> Re: [Fot] =
Final drive (differential) oil</span></p><p> =C2=A0</p><div id=3D"gmail-m_-=
412229061168828563gmail-m_-8028308041457436653yiv9509520834yqt75679"><div><=
div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">Bob you bring up another =
good point as well, there's a big difference between a 20 minute sprint=
race & an enduro, the heat is a much bigger consideration...</span></p=
></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black"> =C2=A0</span></p=
></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">Glen Efinger</spa=
n></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black"> =C2=A0</spa=
n></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black"> =C2=A0</spa=
n></p></div><div><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From: Bob Kra=
mer Gmail via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">To: fubog1 <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:fubog1@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">fubog1@aol.com</a>><br clear=3D"=
none">Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox=
.team.net</a><br clear=3D"none">Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2022 11:51 am<br clear=
=3D"none">Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil</span></p><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_-412229061168828563gmail-m_-8028308041457436653yiv9509520834"=
><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">Good point Glen. Weldin=
g up the center section makes the soft yellow metal cone washers moot.=C2=
=A0 </span></p><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black"> =C2=A0</=
span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">I=E2=80=
=99ve found EP90 GL4 from Car Quest (available from Advance) as a good subs=
titute for StaLube GL4, but it overheats and failed us in endurance racing.=
=C2=A0 It has always worked in the shorter vintage race, and is cheap enoug=
h the drain and refill often.=C2=A0</span></p><div><p><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10pt;color:black"> =C2=A0</span></p><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10=
pt;color:black">Sent from my iPhone</span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"=
font-size:10pt;color:black"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></span></=
p><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black=
">On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:03 AM, fubog1 via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@au=
tox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</span></p=
></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p><span=
style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">=EF=BB=BF </span></p><div id=3D"gmail=
-m_-412229061168828563gmail-m_-8028308041457436653yiv9509520834yqt05668"><d=
iv><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">Welded rear gears are=
n't that fussy about lube, any good hypoid gear oil should be OK;</span=
></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">I usually use=
80-90 Valvo in them.</span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt=
;color:black">The metal in the sample is a different story, they normally d=
on't "make" any metal in operation.</span></p></div><div><p><=
span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">You'll have to remove the cov=
er & get a visual on things, check the lash, mesh pattern & preload=
s best possible in situ.</span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0pt;color:black"> =C2=A0</span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0pt;color:black">Glen Efinger</span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10pt;color:black"> =C2=A0</span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10pt;color:black"> =C2=A0</span></p></div><div><p style=3D"margin-botto=
m:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message---=
--<br clear=3D"none">From: Philip Gott via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@au=
tox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none=
">To: Friends Of Triumph <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">Sent: Tue, Aug 9, =
2022 9:53 pm<br clear=3D"none">Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oi=
l</span></p><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">Amici:</span=
></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">At the risk o=
f opening Pandora=E2=80=99s box, May I ask what gear oil you would recommen=
d for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1 75-140 and=
found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt Race. Usuall=
y there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning. The rear en=
d is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 gear set.=C2=
=A0 I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems =E2=80=9Cnormal.=E2=80=9D =
The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.</span></p></div>=
<div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">What do you all run for =
oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your experience?</span></p></div><div=
><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">Thanks and regards,</span></=
p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">Phil</span></p><=
/div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black"> =C2=A0</span></p><=
/div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">Sent from my iPhone=
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