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Thanks, Terry:
Good advice.
The situation is not made any easier in my car as the exhaust is only a few i=
nches from the differential! Makes a good case for having the exhaust exit o=
ut the side!
Phil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 11, 2022, at 5:03 PM, Enquiries Road & Track <enquiries@roadandtrac=
k.net.au> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> i offer some comments based on decades of dealing with this issue in lots o=
f different race cars=20
>=20
> to select the correct viscosity, you really need to know the operating tem=
perature
>=20
> Adhesive temp indicating labels on the outside of the main diff case are u=
sually the easiest method. they will give you a good idea of whats happening=
inside
>=20
> typically, the outer case is a few degrees cooler that the circulating oil=
, so be cautious here as it is most likely a lot "cooler" then the oil film b=
etween the ring and the pinion at the point of their contact
>=20
> if you are seeing temps much over 100C on the outer, then the old 90 weigh=
t diff oils are highly unlikely to acceptable
>=20
> once most 'off-the-shelf" oils get to about 100C, they are starting to deg=
rade , some irrevocably (ie they are stuffed!!)
>=20
> once you have an idea of temps , start looking at kinematic viscosity of t=
he oil being suggested. simplistically, its this value that allow the oil to=
function as a metal to metal separator and the hotter things get, the lower=
the viscosity becomes, and the lower the chance of it keeping metals apart.=
the various brands of "race oils" can differ widely in this regard
>=20
> in most modern rear-drive race cars we are using 140 grade purpose-made ra=
ce gear oils, and these have all sorts of fancy additives=20
>=20
> microfinishing the ring and pinion gears prior to a diff build, can drop w=
orking temperatures considerably
>=20
> hope this helps in some way
>=20
> Terry
> Australia
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 12:35 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
>> Thank you, everyone!
>>=20
>> It would seem that lubes designed for the everyday street-driven car aren=
't up to the challenge of racing our hyping diffs. I thought the folks at M=
obil would have done better, but apparently not enough. I've taken all your=
inputs into consideration and going with the Redline Shockproof (lightweigh=
t) oil. I'm also thinking of bolting on the aluminum cover of the 4A IRS di=
ff to get a little extra capacity and perhaps some better cooling, although t=
he added thickness may offset the higher rate of heat transfer through the m=
etal. Will do the math.
>>=20
>> Your insights are much appreciated.
>>=20
>> Regards,
>>=20
>> Phil Gott
>> Red '65 4A, #114
>>=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alexandre Camoletti via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> To: fot@autox.team.net
>> Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2022 4:38 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>>=20
>> Gents, when heats becomes a problem then you should definitely try the Lu=
cas oils. Measure temperatures before and after the change, the difference i=
s usually quite big !
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> De : Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] De la part de fubog1 via Fot=
>> Envoy=C3=A9 : mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2022 19:25
>> =C3=80 : fot@autox.team.net
>> Cc : fot@autox.team.net
>> Objet : Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Bob you bring up another good point as well, there's a big difference bet=
ween a 20 minute sprint race & an enduro, the heat is a much bigger consider=
ation...
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Glen Efinger
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> =20
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> To: fubog1 <fubog1@aol.com>
>> Cc: fot@autox.team.net
>> Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2022 11:51 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>>=20
>> Good point Glen. Welding up the center section makes the soft yellow meta=
l cone washers moot.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> I=E2=80=99ve found EP90 GL4 from Car Quest (available from Advance) as a g=
ood substitute for StaLube GL4, but it overheats and failed us in endurance r=
acing. It has always worked in the shorter vintage race, and is cheap enoug=
h the drain and refill often.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:03 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>>=20
>> Welded rear gears aren't that fussy about lube, any good hypoid gear oil s=
hould be OK;
>>=20
>> I usually use 80-90 Valvo in them.
>>=20
>> The metal in the sample is a different story, they normally don't "make" a=
ny metal in operation.
>>=20
>> You'll have to remove the cover & get a visual on things, check the lash,=
mesh pattern & preloads best possible in situ.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Glen Efinger
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Philip Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> To: Friends Of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2022 9:53 pm
>> Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>>=20
>> Amici:
>>=20
>> At the risk of opening Pandora=E2=80=99s box, May I ask what gear oil you=
would recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobi=
l 1 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt=
Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning.=
The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 gea=
r set. I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems =E2=80=9Cnormal.=E2=80=9D=
The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.
>>=20
>> What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your experi=
ence?
>>=20
>> Thanks and regards,
>>=20
>> Phil
>>=20
>> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Thanks, Terry:<div>Good advice.</div><div>T=
he situation is not made any easier in my car as the exhaust is only a few i=
nches from the differential! Makes a good case for having the exhaust e=
xit out the side!</div><div>Phil</div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my=
iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 11, 2022,=
at 5:03 PM, Enquiries Road & Track <enquiries@roadandtrack.net.au>=
; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr=
">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">i offer some comments based on decades of dealin=
g with this issue in lots of different race cars <div><br></div><div>to=
select the correct viscosity, you really need to know the operati=
ng temperature</div><div><br></div><div>Adhesive temp indicating labels on t=
he outside of the main diff case are usually the easiest method. they w=
ill give you a good idea of whats happening inside</div><div><br></div>=
<div>typically, the outer case is a few degrees cooler that the circulating o=
il, so be cautious here as it is most likely a lot "cooler" then the oi=
l film between the ring and the pinion at the point of their contact</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>if you are seeing temps much over 100C on the outer, then t=
he old 90 weight diff oils are highly unlikely to acceptable</div><div><br><=
/div><div>once most 'off-the-shelf" oils get to about 100C, they are startin=
g to degrade , some irrevocably (ie they are stuffed!!)</div><div><br>=
</div><div>once you have an idea of temps , start looking at kinematic =
viscosity of the oil being suggested. simplistically, its this value that al=
low the oil to function as a metal to metal separator and the hotter th=
ings get, the lower the viscosity becomes, and the lower the chance of it ke=
eping metals apart. the various brands of "race oils" can differ widely in t=
his regard</div><div><br></div><div>in most modern rear-drive race cars=
we are using 140 grade purpose-made race gear oils, and these have all sort=
s of fancy additives </div><div><br></div><div>microfinishing the ring a=
nd pinion gears prior to a diff build, can drop working temperatures conside=
rably</div><div><br></div><div>hope this helps in some way</div><div><div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>Terry<=
/div><div>Australia<br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><=
/div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 12:35 AM=
Phil Gott via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.=
net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
><div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:b=
lack"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;co=
lor:black">Thank you, everyone!</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helveti=
ca,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br></div><div style=3D"font-famil=
y:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black">It would seem that l=
ubes designed for the everyday street-driven car aren't up to the challenge o=
f racing our hyping diffs. I thought the folks at Mobil would have don=
e better, but apparently not enough. I've taken all your inputs into c=
onsideration and going with the Redline Shockproof (lightweight) oil. I=
'm also thinking of bolting on the aluminum cover of the 4A IRS diff to get a=
little extra capacity and perhaps some better cooling, although the added t=
hickness may offset the higher rate of heat transfer through the metal. =
; Will do the math.</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black">Your insights are much apprecia=
ted.</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10p=
t;color:black"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f;font-size:10pt;color:black">Regards,</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,=
helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br></div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black">Phil Gott</d=
iv><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color=
:black">Red '65 4A, #114<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Alex=
andre Camoletti via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"=
_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.n=
et" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br>Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2022 4:38=
am<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil<br><br></div><div i=
d=3D"gmail-m_-8028308041457436653yiv9509520834"><div><div><p><span style=3D"=
color:rgb(68,84,106)">Gents, when heats becomes a problem then you should de=
finitely try the Lucas oils. Measure temperatures before and after the chang=
e, the difference is usually quite big !</span></p><p><span style=3D"co=
lor:rgb(68,84,106)"> </span></p><p><b><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-=
size:10pt">De :</span></b><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10pt"> Fo=
t [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fo=
t-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>De la part de</b> fubog1 via Fot<br clear=3D=
"none"><b>Envoy=C3=A9 :</b> mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2022 19:25<br clear=3D=
"none"><b>=C3=80 :</b> <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"=
_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc :</b> <a href=3D=
"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br clea=
r=3D"none"><b>Objet :</b> Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil</spa=
n></p><p> </p><div id=3D"gmail-m_-8028308041457436653yiv9509520834yqt7=
5679"><div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">Bob you bring u=
p another good point as well, there's a big difference between a 20 minute s=
print race & an enduro, the heat is a much bigger consideration...</span=
></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black"> </span>=
</p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">Glen Efinger</s=
pan></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black"> </sp=
an></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black"> </spa=
n></p></div><div><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10=
pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From: Bob Krame=
r Gmail via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">=
fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">To: fubog1 <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:fubog1@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">fubog1@aol.com</a>><br clear=3D"none"=
>Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.=
net</a><br clear=3D"none">Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2022 11:51 am<br clear=3D"none"=
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil</span></p><div id=3D"gmai=
l-m_-8028308041457436653yiv9509520834"><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt=
;color:black">Good point Glen. Welding up the center section makes the soft y=
ellow metal cone washers moot. </span></p><div><p><span style=3D"font-=
size:10pt;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10pt;color:black">I=E2=80=99ve found EP90 GL4 from Car Quest (available f=
rom Advance) as a good substitute for StaLube GL4, but it overheats and fail=
ed us in endurance racing. It has always worked in the shorter vintage=
race, and is cheap enough the drain and refill often. </span></p><div>=
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black"> </span></p><div><p><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">Sent from my iPhone</span></p></div><=
div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black"><br clear=3D"none"><br cle=
ar=3D"none"></span></p><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10pt;color:black">On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:03 AM, fubog1 via Fot <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>>=
; wrote:</span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5=
pt"><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">=EF=BB=BF </span></p>=
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-8028308041457436653yiv9509520834yqt05668"><div><div><p><=
span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">Welded rear gears aren't that fuss=
y about lube, any good hypoid gear oil should be OK;</span></p></div><div><p=
><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">I usually use 80-90 Valvo in the=
m.</span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">The me=
tal in the sample is a different story, they normally don't "make" any metal=
in operation.</span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:b=
lack">You'll have to remove the cover & get a visual on things, check th=
e lash, mesh pattern & preloads best possible in situ.</span></p></div><=
div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black"> </span></p></div><d=
iv><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">Glen Efinger</span></p></di=
v><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black"> </span></p></div=
><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black"> </span></p></div>=
<div><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:bla=
ck">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From: Philip Gott via Fot &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.ne=
t</a>><br clear=3D"none">To: Friends Of Triumph <<a href=3D"mailto:fot=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"no=
ne">Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2022 9:53 pm<br clear=3D"none">Subject: [Fot] Final dr=
ive (differential) oil</span></p><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color=
:black">Amici:</span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:b=
lack">At the risk of opening Pandora=E2=80=99s box, May I ask what gear oil y=
ou would recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mo=
bil 1 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pi=
tt Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concernin=
g. The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 g=
ear set. I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems =E2=80=9Cnormal.=
=E2=80=9D The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.</span><=
/p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">What do you all r=
un for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your experience?</span></p></di=
v><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">Thanks and regards,</sp=
an></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">Phil</span><=
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