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Re: [Fot] abradable coatings

from [Chris Marx via Fot] [Permanent Link][Original]
To: "'DAVE HOGYE'" <dlhogye@comcast.net>, <tr4racing@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] abradable coatings
From: Chris Marx via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 08:15:30 +0200
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Hi Dave,

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they don=E2=80=99t have a part number, but can be ordered here:

https://wahl-spezialkolben.de/en/

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Cheers

Chris

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Von: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye@comcast.net>=20
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Oktober 2021 04:43
An: tr4racing@googlemail.com
Betreff: Re: [Fot] abradable coatings

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Hi Chris,=20

Thanks for sharing the piston info and photos.  Very good to know. =20

Do the Mahle pistons have a part number?  Can they be ordered?=20

Just wondering.=20

Dave=20

On 10/06/2021 1:06 PM Chris Marx via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =

=20

=20

See the photos of the Wiseco pistons with coating to overcome the =
shrinking.

=20

And the difference between Wiseco and Mahle.

=20

Cheers

Chris

=20

=20

=20

=20

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2021 21:54
>
Betreff: AW: [Fot] abradable coatings

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I did this once with also a set of Wiseco pistons.

I had cross scuffing on all 4 pistons, because the pistons expanded to =
much to the wrong direction.

I did use the coated pistons and replaced them with Mahle custom made =
pistons, which are lighter and never scuffed .

I use the Mahle set since 10 years now.

=20

Cheers

Chris

=20

=20

> Im Auftrag von Bob Kramer via Fot
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2021 17:27
Betreff: [Fot] abradable coatings

=20

Has anyone used this company on a wet liner engine like a TR4? I have a =
set of scuffed Wieseco pistons that could be rescued with a skirt =
coating and the company says it will work.=20

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The coatings can be applied very thick and sometimes provide an =
interference fit when a device is assembled. During initial operation, =
the coating breaks in to form a perfect fit between mating parts. =
Controlled abrasion even accounts for thermal and torque related =
distortions in components as the coating wears in. Once the optimum fit =
is achieved, stresses on the coating are reduced and the break-in =
process stops. Durable, low friction, anti-scuff properties of the =
coating maintain tighter operating clearances and higher efficiency for =
the life of the device.

=20

=20

https://www.line2linecoatings.com/

=20


Armor Clearance Control=E2=84=A2 (Armor CC=E2=84=A2)


For building diametric thickness 0.002" to 0.020" - our hardest skirt =
coating.


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Extreme wear resistance provides lasting enlargement of piston skirt =
dimensions. Recommended for restoring clearances where they have opened =
up from skirt collapse, wear, clean-up honing or other.

Race proven durability in NHRA PRO-MOD. Coating can be topped with Slick =
CC=E2=84=A2 for the ultimate fit and lubricity.

Recommended for 2 strokes and 4 strokes.


ADVANTAGES:


*       Restores and Holds Clearances




Bob Kramer

_______________________________________________=20

http://www.fot-racing.com=20

Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot =

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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE>Hi =
Dave,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DDE><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>they =
don=E2=80=99t have a part number, but can be ordered =
here:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://wahl-spezialkolben.de/en/";>https://wahl-spezialkolben.de/=
en/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE>Von:</span></b><span =
lang=3DDE> DAVE HOGYE &lt;dlhogye@comcast.net&gt; <br><b>Gesendet:</b> =
Donnerstag, 7. Oktober 2021 04:43<br><b>An:</b> =
tr4racing@googlemail.com<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] abradable =
coatings<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Hi Chris, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Thanks for sharing the piston info and photos.&nbsp; Very good to =
know.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Do the Mahle pistons have a part number?&nbsp; Can they be ordered? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Just wondering. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Dave <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 10/06/2021 1:06 PM Chris Marx via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>See the =
photos of the Wiseco pistons with coating to overcome the =
shrinking.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>And the =
difference between Wiseco and Mahle.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cheers<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Chris<o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><spa=
n style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></strong> <a =
href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@gmail.com";>tr4racing@gmail.com</a> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@gmail.com";>tr4racing@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Gesendet:</span></strong> =
Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2021 21:54<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>An:</span></strong> 'Bob =
Kramer' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rkramer56@gmail.com";>rkramer56@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><stron=
g><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Cc:</span></strong> =
'fot@autox.team.net' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><strong>=
<span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Betreff:</span></strong> AW: =
[Fot] abradable coatings<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I did this =
once with also a set of Wiseco pistons.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I had cross =
scuffing on all 4 pistons, because the pistons expanded to much to the =
wrong direction.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I did use =
the coated pistons and replaced them with Mahle custom made pistons, =
which are lighter and never scuffed .<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I use the =
Mahle set since 10 years now.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cheers<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Chris<o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><spa=
n style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></strong> Fot =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>=
&gt; <strong><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Im Auftrag =
von </span></strong>Bob Kramer via Fot<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Gesendet:</span></strong> =
Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2021 17:27<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>An:</span></strong> Fot =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><strong>=
<span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Betreff:</span></strong> =
[Fot] abradable coatings<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Has anyone =
used this company on a wet liner engine like a TR4? I have a set of =
scuffed Wieseco&nbsp;pistons that could be rescued with a skirt coating =
and the company says it will work.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#55555=
5;background:#FAFAFA'>The coatings can be applied very thick and =
sometimes provide an interference fit when a device is assembled. During =
initial operation, the coating breaks in to form a perfect fit between =
mating parts. Controlled abrasion even accounts for thermal and torque =
related distortions in components as the coating wears in. Once the =
optimum fit is achieved, stresses on the coating are reduced and the =
break-in process stops. Durable, low friction, anti-scuff properties of =
the coating maintain tighter operating clearances and higher efficiency =
for the life of the device.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"https://www.line2linecoatings.com/";>https://www.line2linecoatings=
.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p></div><div><h2 =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:7.5pt;ma=
rgin-left:0cm;line-height:30.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#404040'>Armor Clearance Control=E2=84=A2 (Armor =
CC=E2=84=A2)</span><o:p></o:p></h2><div style=3D'border:solid white =
1.0pt;padding:14.0pt 14.0pt 14.0pt =
14.0pt;margin-top:15.0pt;margin-bottom:15.0pt;min-height: =
20px;border-radius: 0px;outline: #cccccc solid 1px'><h3 align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:7.5pt;ma=
rgin-left:0cm;text-align:center;line-height:30.0pt;background:#FFFFF2'><s=
pan style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#404040'>For =
building diametric thickness 0.002&quot; to 0.020&quot; - our hardest =
skirt coating.</span><o:p></o:p></h3><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:#F=
FFFF2'><span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:ce=
nter;background:#FFFFF2'><span style=3D'color:black;border:solid =
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'><img border=3D0 width=3D100 height=3D100 =
style=3D'width:1.0416in;height:1.0416in' id=3D"Bild_x0020_1" =
src=3D"cid:image001.jpg@01D7BB53.7E01DD10" alt=3D"Das Bild wurde vom =
Absender entfernt."></span><span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<span =
style=3D'border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'><img border=3D0 =
width=3D100 height=3D100 style=3D'width:1.0416in;height:1.0416in' =
id=3D"Bild_x0020_2" src=3D"cid:image001.jpg@01D7BB53.7E01DD10" =
alt=3D"Das Bild wurde vom Absender =
entfernt."></span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:#F=
FFFF2'><span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:7.5pt;marg=
in-left:0cm;line-height:18.0pt;background:#FFFFF2'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#555555=
'>Extreme wear resistance provides lasting enlargement of piston skirt =
dimensions. Recommended for restoring clearances where they have opened =
up from skirt collapse, wear, clean-up honing or =
other.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:7.5pt;marg=
in-left:0cm;line-height:18.0pt;background:#FFFFF2'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#555555=
'>Race proven durability in NHRA PRO-MOD. Coating can be topped with =
Slick CC=E2=84=A2 for the ultimate fit and =
lubricity.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:7.5pt;marg=
in-left:0cm;line-height:18.0pt;background:#FFFFF2'><em><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#555555=
'>Recommended for 2 strokes and 4 strokes.</span></em><o:p></o:p></p><h2 =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:7.5pt;ma=
rgin-left:0cm;line-height:30.0pt;background:#FFFFF2'><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#404040'>ADVANTAGES:</span><o:p></o:p></h2><ul =
style=3D'margin-top:0cm' type=3Ddisc><li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'color:#555555;margin-top:4.5pt;margin-bottom:4.5pt;line-height:1=
5.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:#FFFFF2'><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Restores =
and Holds Clearances</span></strong><o:p></o:p></li></ul></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Bob =
Kramer<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>__________________________________________=
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