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Hi Bob,
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the forged Mahle pistons are 100gr lighter than the Wisecos.
On the photos the bigger shaped piston is the Mahle one.
But it is very fragil. The skirt is very thin and to compensate for =
piston slap the skirt is longer than on the Wisecos.
Price for one Piston was 250=E2=82=AC.
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Cheers
Chris
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Von: Bob Kramer <rkramer56@gmail.com>=20
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2021 23:10
An: tr4racing@googlemail.com
Cc: Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] abradable coatings
=20
Chris
=20
I weighed the Wisecos and compared them to some Malhe cast pistons I =
had. I'm doing this off memot but I think I weighed them with wrist pins =
but without rings. The Wisecos were about a US pound and the cast =
Mahles 1.3 pounds. The wrist pins on the cast ones are heavier than the =
ones that came with the Wiseco's. How much lighter are the custom =
Malhe's?
=20
Bob Kramer
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 3:06 PM <tr4racing@googlemail.com =
See the photos of the Wiseco pistons with coating to overcome the =
shrinking.
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And the difference between Wiseco and Mahle.
=20
Cheers
Chris
=20
=20
=20
=20
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2021 21:54
Betreff: AW: [Fot] abradable coatings
=20
I did this once with also a set of Wiseco pistons.
I had cross scuffing on all 4 pistons, because the pistons expanded to =
much to the wrong direction.
I did use the coated pistons and replaced them with Mahle custom made =
pistons, which are lighter and never scuffed .
I use the Mahle set since 10 years now.
=20
Cheers
Chris
=20
=20
> Im Auftrag von Bob Kramer via Fot
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2021 17:27
Betreff: [Fot] abradable coatings
=20
Has anyone used this company on a wet liner engine like a TR4? I have a =
set of scuffed Wieseco pistons that could be rescued with a skirt =
coating and the company says it will work.=20
=20
The coatings can be applied very thick and sometimes provide an =
interference fit when a device is assembled. During initial operation, =
the coating breaks in to form a perfect fit between mating parts. =
Controlled abrasion even accounts for thermal and torque related =
distortions in components as the coating wears in. Once the optimum fit =
is achieved, stresses on the coating are reduced and the break-in =
process stops. Durable, low friction, anti-scuff properties of the =
coating maintain tighter operating clearances and higher efficiency for =
the life of the device.
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https://www.line2linecoatings.com/
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Armor Clearance Control=E2=84=A2 (Armor CC=E2=84=A2)
For building diametric thickness 0.002" to 0.020" - our hardest skirt =
coating.
=20
=20
=20
Extreme wear resistance provides lasting enlargement of piston skirt =
dimensions. Recommended for restoring clearances where they have opened =
up from skirt collapse, wear, clean-up honing or other.
Race proven durability in NHRA PRO-MOD. Coating can be topped with Slick =
CC=E2=84=A2 for the ultimate fit and lubricity.
Recommended for 2 strokes and 4 strokes.
ADVANTAGES:
* Restores and Holds Clearances
Bob Kramer
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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE>Hi =
Bob,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DDE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>the forged =
Mahle pistons are 100gr lighter than the Wisecos.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On the photos the bigger shaped piston is the Mahle =
one.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>But it is very fragil. The skirt =
is very thin and to compensate for piston slap the skirt is longer than =
on the Wisecos.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Price for one Piston =
was 250=E2=82=AC.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE>Von:</span></b><span =
lang=3DDE> Bob Kramer <rkramer56@gmail.com> <br><b>Gesendet:</b> =
Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2021 23:10<br><b>An:</b> =
tr4racing@googlemail.com<br><b>Cc:</b> Fot =
<fot@autox.team.net><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] abradable =
coatings<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
weighed the Wisecos and compared them to some Malhe cast pistons I had. =
I'm doing this off memot but I think I weighed them with wrist pins =
but without rings. The Wisecos were about a US pound and the cast =
Mahles 1.3 pounds. The wrist pins on the cast ones are heavier than the =
ones that came with the Wiseco's. How much lighter are the custom =
Malhe's?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Bob Kramer<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 3:06 PM <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";>tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>>=
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>See the =
photos of the Wiseco pistons with coating to overcome the =
shrinking.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>And the =
difference between Wiseco and Mahle.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cheers<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Chris<o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
lang=3DDE>Von:</span></b><span lang=3DDE> <a =
href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">tr4racing@gmail.com</a> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">tr4racing@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Gesendet:</b> =
Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2021 21:54<br><b>An:</b> 'Bob Kramer' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rkramer56@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">rkramer56@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> '<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Betreff:</b> AW: =
[Fot] abradable coatings</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I did this =
once with also a set of Wiseco pistons.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I had cross =
scuffing on all 4 pistons, because the pistons expanded to much to the =
wrong direction.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I did use =
the coated pistons and replaced them with Mahle custom made pistons, =
which are lighter and never scuffed .<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I use the =
Mahle set since 10 years now.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cheers<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Chris<o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
lang=3DDE>Von:</span></b><span lang=3DDE> Fot <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>Im Auftrag von =
</b>Bob Kramer via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2021 =
17:27<br><b>An:</b> Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Betreff:</b> [Fot] =
abradable coatings</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Has anyone =
used this company on a wet liner engine like a TR4? I have a set of =
scuffed Wieseco pistons that could be rescued with a skirt coating =
and the company says it will work. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#55555=
5;background:#FAFAFA'>The coatings can be applied very thick and =
sometimes provide an interference fit when a device is assembled. During =
initial operation, the coating breaks in to form a perfect fit between =
mating parts. Controlled abrasion even accounts for thermal and torque =
related distortions in components as the coating wears in. Once the =
optimum fit is achieved, stresses on the coating are reduced and the =
break-in process stops. Durable, low friction, anti-scuff properties of =
the coating maintain tighter operating clearances and higher efficiency =
for the life of the device.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"https://www.line2linecoatings.com/"; =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.line2linecoatings.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></=
div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><h2 =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;line-height:30.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Droid =
Sans",serif;color:#404040'>Armor Clearance Control=E2=84=A2 (Armor =
CC=E2=84=A2)</span><o:p></o:p></h2><div style=3D'border:solid white =
1.0pt;padding:14.0pt 14.0pt 14.0pt =
14.0pt;margin-top:15.0pt;margin-bottom:15.0pt;min-height:20px;border-radi=
us:0px;outline:rgb(204,204,204) solid 1px'><h3 align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;text-align:center;line-height:30.0pt;backgro=
und:#FFFFF2'><span style=3D'font-family:"Droid =
Sans",serif;color:#404040'>For building diametric thickness 0.002" =
to 0.020" - our hardest skirt coating.</span><o:p></o:p></h3><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:#F=
FFFF2'><span style=3D'color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:ce=
nter;background:#FFFFF2'><span style=3D'color:black;border:solid =
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'><img border=3D0 width=3D100 height=3D100 =
style=3D'width:1.0416in;height:1.0416in' =
id=3D"gmail-m_8494912656192415720Bild_x0020_1" =
src=3D"cid:image001.jpg@01D7BB08.25FAE0D0" alt=3D"Das Bild wurde vom =
Absender entfernt."></span><span style=3D'color:black'> <span =
style=3D'border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'><img border=3D0 =
width=3D100 height=3D100 style=3D'width:1.0416in;height:1.0416in' =
id=3D"gmail-m_8494912656192415720Bild_x0020_2" =
src=3D"cid:image001.jpg@01D7BB08.25FAE0D0" alt=3D"Das Bild wurde vom =
Absender entfernt."></span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:#F=
FFFF2'><span style=3D'color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;line-height:18.0pt;background:#FFFFF2'><span=
=
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#555555=
'>Extreme wear resistance provides lasting enlargement of piston skirt =
dimensions. Recommended for restoring clearances where they have opened =
up from skirt collapse, wear, clean-up honing or =
other.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;line-height:18.0pt;background:#FFFFF2'><span=
=
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#555555=
'>Race proven durability in NHRA PRO-MOD. Coating can be topped with =
Slick CC=E2=84=A2 for the ultimate fit and =
lubricity.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;line-height:18.0pt;background:#FFFFF2'><em><=
span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#555555=
'>Recommended for 2 strokes and 4 strokes.</span></em><o:p></o:p></p><h2 =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;line-height:30.0pt;background:#FFFFF2'><span=
style=3D'font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Droid =
Sans",serif;color:#404040'>ADVANTAGES:</span><o:p></o:p></h2><ul =
style=3D'margin-top:0cm' type=3Ddisc><li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'color:#555555;margin-top:4.5pt;margin-bottom:4.5pt;line-height:1=
5.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:#FFFFF2'><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Restores =
and Holds Clearances</span></strong><o:p></o:p></li></ul></div></div><p =
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style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Bob =
Kramer<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></d=
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