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Re: [Fot] Seat Belts

To: Amici Triumphi <fot@autox.team.net>, Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>, Gary Schneider <garygret@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Seat Belts
From: Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 20:47:50 +0000 (UTC)
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 Tony,I have my 6-points going through the one seat hole then angle out fro=
m the center and attached separately through the floor. Never had any tech =
issues with a number of sanctioning bodies (VARA, CVAR, SVRA, VSCDA).=C2=A0
Jake
    On Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 02:42:45 PM CST, Gary Schneider via Fot=
 <fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
  Tony,Gretchen's Mini for 20 years has always had two crotch straps run th=
ru the one seat hole, both secured to one central eyebolt in the floor. No =
one's ever questioned it (altho I'll grant you an MC tech is not the most p=
ersnickety I've ever seen.)
I notice MC, SCCA, VSCDA, VARA, VRG, RMVR rules all specify 5 or 6-point ha=
rnesses. SCCA only includes 7-point. Most recommend above 5 points but none=
 require it.=20

Interestingly, I find no reference in any of the above rules to 6-point har=
nesses requiring two individual anti-sub attachment points. SCCA specifical=
ly allows attaching anti-sub straps to the same two attachment points as th=
e lap belts but does not require it. Only lap and shoulder belts require in=
dividual attachment points. (12-2020 GCR p. 76) You might verify with any o=
ther organizations you run with.


Cheers,Gary Schneider

    On Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 1:56:57 PM CST, Tony Drews via Fot <fot=
@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 The talk of helmets and suppliers reminded me to ask this question...=C2=
=A0=20
My FIA seat belt 5 years is up, so I need to replace them.=C2=A0 I have a 5=
=20
point harness.=C2=A0 Everything I'm seeing FIA or SFI is now a 6 point=20
harness with two crotch straps.=C2=A0 Of course I have ONE hole in my seat=
=20
and one eye bolt for the crotch strap currently.

How are folks doing the revised crotch strap situation?

Thanks, Tony Drews

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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Tony,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false">I have my 6-points going through the one seat hole th=
en angle out from the center and attached separately through the floor. Nev=
er had any tech issues with a number of sanctioning bodies (VARA, CVAR, SVR=
A, VSCDA).&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Jake</div><div><br></div>
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                    On Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 02:42:45 PM CST, Gary S=
chneider via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
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        <div dir=3D"ltr">Tony,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Gretchen's Mini for 20=
 years has always had two crotch straps run thru the one seat hole, both se=
cured to one central eyebolt in the floor. No one's ever questioned it (alt=
ho I'll grant you an MC tech is not the most persnickety I've ever seen.)</=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I notice MC,=
 SCCA, VSCDA, VARA, VRG, RMVR rules all specify 5 <u>or</u> 6-point harness=
es. SCCA only includes 7-point. Most recommend above 5 points but none requ=
ire it. <br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Interestingly, I find no reference in any of the above rul=
es to 6-point harnesses requiring two individual anti-sub attachment points=
. SCCA specifically allows attaching anti-sub straps to the same two attach=
ment points as the lap belts but does not require it. Only lap and shoulder=
 belts require individual attachment points. (12-2020 GCR p. 76) You might =
verify with any other organizations you run with.<br clear=3D"none"><div><b=
r clear=3D"none"></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">Cheers,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Gary Schneider<br clear=3D"none"=
></div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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                    On Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 1:56:57 PM CST, Tony Dr=
ews via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
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                </div><div><div class=3D"ydp1c2b41fbyiv4031969252yqt8855537=
336" id=3D"ydp1c2b41fbyiv4031969252yqtfd55882"><div dir=3D"ltr">The talk of=
 helmets and suppliers reminded me to ask this question...&nbsp; <br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">My FIA seat belt 5 years is up, so I need =
to replace them.&nbsp; I have a 5 <br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>point harness.&nbsp; Everything I'm seeing FIA or SFI is now a 6 point <br=
 clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">harness with two crotch straps.&nbsp=
; Of course I have ONE hole in my seat <br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">and one eye bolt for the crotch strap currently.<br clear=3D"none"></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">How are folk=
s doing the revised crotch strap situation?<br clear=3D"none"></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks, Tony Drews<br c=
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