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Subject: Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars
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 Yep pressurized tank.Glen
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From: Terry Stetler <tlizzard@msn.com>
To: fubog1 <fubog1@aol.com>; fot@autox.team.net <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, May 25, 2020 12:45 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars

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 pressurize the fuel tank?=C2=A0 Very common in the olden days. Also the wa=
y it was done in WW1 aircraft, though they had a tiny air pump driven by th=
e slipstream of the aircraft via a little propeller, and often there was al=
so a gravity feed tank , and, a rubber bulb in the cockpit to manually buil=
d up pressure for starting.Nothing like having a fuel/air bomb right behind=
 your seat to raise the adrenalin levels. =C2=A0 Terry Stetler =C2=A0 Sent =
from Mail for Windows 10 =C2=A0 From: fubog1
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:51 AM
To: fot@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars =C2=A0 Ah the manual fuel pump! Some yea=
rs back a buddy was trying to figure out how to get both of his race cars t=
o a dirt-track event @ Zephyrhills Fla, not far from Sebring. He had a big =
Indy car w/a GMC 6, and a midget w/V-8 60, real cars, not modern repros. Bo=
th with the handle on the left. We fixed that problem real easy, I hauled o=
ne over in exchange for seat time in both. The big car was a handful but th=
e Midget was almost way too much fun! Glen Efinger  =C2=A0  =C2=A0  =C2=A0 =
 =C2=A0 -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: fot@autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (dri=
ver's left)?  =C2=A0 Bill Dentinger  =C2=A0 Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com  =C2=A0 On=C2=A0Sunday, May 24, 20=
20,=C2=A0Larry Young via Fot=C2=A0<fot@autox.team.net>=C2=A0wrote:  =C2=A0=
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My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?).=20
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old=20
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to=20
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think=20
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing=20
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like=20
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since=20
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see=20
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was=20
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance=20
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling,=20
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type=20
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've=20
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There=20
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication.=20
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run=20
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash=20
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The=20
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some=20
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards).=20
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes=20
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it=20
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to=20
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings=20
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted=20
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time.=20
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all=20
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
=C2=A0- Larry Young   =C2=A0 ______________________________________________=
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<div> <font size="2">Yep pressurized tank.</font></div>

<div><font size="2">Glen</font><br>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original 
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From: Terry Stetler &lt;tlizzard@msn.com&gt;<br>
To: fubog1 &lt;fubog1@aol.com&gt;; fot@autox.team.net 
&lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, May 25, 2020 12:45 pm<br>
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<div class="yiv1482693213MsoNormal">Air pump to pressurize the fuel tank?&nbsp; 
Very common in the olden days. Also the way it was done in WW1 aircraft, though 
they had a tiny air pump driven by the slipstream of the aircraft via a little 
propeller, and often there was also a
 gravity feed tank , and, a rubber bulb in the cockpit to manually build up 
pressure for starting.</div>


<div class="yiv1482693213MsoNormal">Nothing like having a fuel/air bomb right 
behind your seat to raise the adrenalin levels.</div>


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<div class="yiv1482693213MsoNormal">Terry Stetler</div>


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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Ah the manual fuel 
pump!</span></div>
 
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<div class="yiv1482693213MsoNormal"><span 
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Some years back a 
buddy was trying to figure out how to get both of his race cars to a dirt-track 
event @ Zephyrhills Fla, not far from Sebring.</span></div>
 
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<div class="yiv1482693213MsoNormal"><span 
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">He had a big Indy 
car w/a GMC 6, and a midget w/V-8 60, real cars, not modern repros.</span></div>
 
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Both with the 
handle on the left.</span></div>
 
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">We fixed that 
problem real easy, I hauled one over in exchange for seat time in 
both.</span></div>
 
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<div class="yiv1482693213MsoNormal"><span 
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">The big car was a 
handful but the Midget was almost way too much fun!</span></div>
 
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<div class="yiv1482693213MsoNormal"><span 
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Glen 
Efinger</span></div>
 
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From: Bill Dentinger via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;<br clear="none">
To: fot@autox.team.net<br clear="none">
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm<br clear="none">
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars</span></div>
 

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<div class="yiv1482693213MsoNormal"><span 
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Is that a manual 
fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Bill 
Dentinger</span></div>
 
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">On&nbsp;Sunday, 
May 24, 2020,&nbsp;Larry Young via 
Fot&nbsp;&lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;&nbsp;wrote:
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<div class="yiv1482693213MsoNormal"><span 
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">My dad was a Ford 
guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I
<br clear="none">
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). <br 
clear="none">
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old <br 
clear="none">
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to <br 
clear="none">
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think <br 
clear="none">
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing <br 
clear="none">
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like <br 
clear="none">
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since <br 
clear="none">
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see <br 
clear="none">
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was <br 
clear="none">
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance <br 
clear="none">
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, <br 
clear="none">
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type <br 
clear="none">
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've <br 
clear="none">
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There <br 
clear="none">
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. <br 
clear="none">
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run <br 
clear="none">
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash <br 
clear="none">
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The <br 
clear="none">
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some <br 
clear="none">
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). <br 
clear="none">
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes <br 
clear="none">
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it <br 
clear="none">
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to <br 
clear="none">
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings <br 
clear="none">
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted <br 
clear="none">
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. <br 
clear="none">
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all <br 
clear="none">
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).<br clear="none">
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