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Air pump to pressurize the fuel tank? Very common in the olden days. Also =
the way it was done in WW1 aircraft, though they had a tiny air pump driven=
by the slipstream of the aircraft via a little propeller, and often there =
was also a gravity feed tank , and, a rubber bulb in the cockpit to manuall=
y build up pressure for starting.
Nothing like having a fuel/air bomb right behind your seat to raise the adr=
enalin levels.
Terry Stetler
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Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars
Ah the manual fuel pump!
Some years back a buddy was trying to figure out how to get both of his rac=
e cars to a dirt-track event @ Zephyrhills Fla, not far from Sebring.
He had a big Indy car w/a GMC 6, and a midget w/V-8 60, real cars, not mode=
rn repros.
Both with the handle on the left.
We fixed that problem real easy, I hauled one over in exchange for seat tim=
e in both.
The big car was a handful but the Midget was almost way too much fun!
Glen Efinger
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: fot@autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?
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On Sunday, May 24, 2020, Larry Young via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?).
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling,
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.
I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication.
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards).
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time.
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
- Larry Young
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Air pump to pressurize the fuel tank? Very com=
mon in the olden days. Also the way it was done in WW1 aircraft, though the=
y had a tiny air pump driven by the slipstream of the aircraft via a little=
propeller, and often there was also a
gravity feed tank , and, a rubber bulb in the cockpit to manually build up=
pressure for starting.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nothing like having a fuel/air bomb right behind you=
r seat to raise the adrenalin levels.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Terry Stetler</p>
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<b>Sent: </b>Monday, May 25, 2020 10:51 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:black">Ah the manual fuel pump!<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:black">Some years back a buddy was trying to fig=
ure out how to get both of his race cars to a dirt-track event @ Zephyrhill=
s Fla, not far from Sebring.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:black">He had a big Indy car w/a GMC 6, and a mi=
dget w/V-8 60, real cars, not modern repros.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:black">Both with the handle on the left.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:black">We fixed that problem real easy, I hauled=
one over in exchange for seat time in both.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:black">The big car was a handful but the Midget =
was almost way too much fun!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
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From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
To: fot@autox.team.net<br>
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ial",sans-serif;color:black">Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outsid=
e (driver's left)?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:black">My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainw=
ash me on Fords too, but I
<br>
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). <br>
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old <br=
>
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to <br>
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think <br>
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing <br>
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like <br>
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since <br>
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti"=
; (see <br>
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was <br>
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance <br>
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, <br=
>
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type <br>
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've <b=
r>
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There <br>
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.<br>
<br>
I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. <br>
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run <br>
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash <br>
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The <b=
r>
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some <br>
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). <br=
>
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes <br=
>
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it <br>
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to <br>
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings <b=
r>
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted <b=
r>
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. <br>
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all <b=
r>
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).<br>
- Larry Young <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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