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I had Callies, in Fostoria OH nitride my TR4 crank. They polished and
dimension-checked for $200 (I think, maybe less). Did great work and only
took about 2 weeks.
jim
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Duncan Charlton <
duncan.charlton54@gmail.com> wrote:
> The nitriding cost (via Dennis Murray of Performance Engine Service in
> Austin, TX) turned out to be $400 (plus $72 shipping), much less than I
> expected. Dennis said that was his cost, so perhaps going direct to Mile
> High Crankshafts in Denver might cost a bit more. Compared to the cost o=
f
> a forged crank that seems like a helluva deal for the Ford 1500
> pre-crossflow race motor I=E2=80=99m building for the Morgan.
>
> Duncan
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Brian Schirano <bschirano@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> My crank was nitrided at a local steel treating shop here in Rochester NY
> then back to machine shop for (re)polishing, (re)tolerancing, balancing
>
> 26A GT6+, 28 TR6
> Brian Schirano
> 585-305-0349 Cell
> BSchirano@yahoo.com
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54@gmail.com>
> *To:* Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com>
> *Cc:* Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 9:06 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] GT6 Connecting rods
>
> Dennis sent my Ford 1500 crank to a guy in Colorado for nitriding. He
> said it would be about $800, including final straightening and grinding t=
o
> spec (Monday I=E2=80=99ll pick it up and find out what the final cost is)=
.
>
> Duncan
>
>
> > On Dec 11, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like a deal considering what we pay Dennis these days which does
> not include the nitriding process.
> >
> > Can you specify bearing clearances and radius treatment?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 9, 2015, at 9:46 AM, rkramer3@austin.rr.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone have experience with APT nitrided cranks? They list a full=
y
> race prepped and nitrided 6 cylinder crank at just under a grand.
> >> Bob Kramer
> >> rkramer3@austin.rr.com
> >>
> >> ---- Brian Schirano <bschirano@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> 2 Cents from a modest built GT6 racer (IE 10:1 CR, stock rods, crank,
> Good GP3 cam, etc). Russ's comments are dead on - building the car is on=
e
> expense, racing it is a recurring one and his estimate of $1000 per event
> is good. So build in margin of safety in the motor (and other components)
> where you can.
> >>> aluminum flywheel and clutch & PP I went to Ted Shumaker, TSI - TS
> Imports
> >>> RE the rods - at the time of my first (only) rebuild a couple years
> ago I couldn't afford carrillos or Pauters, but did spend some long green
> on nitriding and polishing the crank, balancing everything, and of course
> the ARP hardware everywhere that counts . My car is NOT a high rev machin=
e,
> I self limit at 6200 - 6300 RPM and it seems all the straights are uphill
> so she never redlines there anywise!
> >>> So to me, it can be done, but has to be consistent with the rest of
> your build. my next build will be a higher CR and hotter cam, so will be
> upgrading rods, and pistons as well. But the first build was built
> conservative for longevity.
> >>> Brian 26A GT6+, 28 TR6Brian Schirano
> >>> 585-305-0349 Cell
> >>> BSchirano@yahoo.com
> >>> From: Spitfire Racing <spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com>
> >>> To: 'Jamie' <tr6driver@yahoo.com>; 'McKearn McKearn' <
> mckearn2@gmail.com>
> >>> Cc: 'FOT list' <fot@autox.team.net>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 8:02 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Connecting rods
> >>>
> >>> A properly built and modified race engine represents a mighty
> investment not
> >>> only of dollars but of time. Is that really where you want to pinch
> pennies?
> >>> After all, with the exception of pistons and crank that is one of the
> >>> primary components and all it takes is one piece inside an engine to
> reduce
> >>> all your work and investment to nothing more than scrap metal. One
> seized
> >>> valve, or substandard bolt even can be a disaster. It doesn't take
> much.
> >>> Realize all the ancillary invested expenditures that are also at risk
> like a
> >>> weekend's entry fee you lose in an engine failure; the cost of time
> off from
> >>> work to go to a race weekend; the cost of food and lodging for the ra=
ce
> >>> outing and the cost of just getting there. When asked, I usually advi=
se
> >>> folks to figure a race weekend is ~$1000 minimum when you roll all in=
.
> >>>
> >>> A number of racers have run Pauter rods as stated before by Bill and
> these
> >>> do present a less expensive alternative. I had the opportunity to
> rebuild an
> >>> engine last year with Pauter rods and they were quite substantial and
> were
> >>> well designed, constructed and balanced. Personally I have seen far
> too many
> >>> Chinese knock-offs; reproductions (call them what you will), that fai=
l
> to
> >>> come close to the parts they try to mimic.
> >>> I suggest you perhaps delay your build until your war chest allows fo=
r
> top
> >>> quality internals. Do it once and do it right the first time and
> reduce the
> >>> potential for disappointing expensive disaster.
> >>>
> >>> Russ Moore
> >>> Spitfire #49
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 6:22 AM
> >>> To: McKearn McKearn
> >>> Cc: FOT list
> >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Connecting rods
> >>>
> >>> Although I was initially very wary, they have worked well for over
> 1,000
> >>> race miles in our (horror) MGB engine.
> >>>
> >>> Jamie Palmer
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 11:52 PM, McKearn McKearn <mckearn2@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Gents.
> >>>> I am looking for feedback on the MaxSpeeding connecting rods for
> GT6.
> >>> Can't afford Carrillos and I'm hoping these are good. Also am still
> >>> searching for an aluminum flywheel without having something custom
> made. and
> >>> would like input on what type of clutch to use as well . Lets call it
> a race
> >>> car for the sake of argument....
> >>>> Thanks. P.J.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I had Callies, in Fostoria OH nitride my TR4 crank.=C2=A0 =
They polished and dimension-checked for $200 (I think, maybe less).=C2=A0 D=
id great work and only took about 2 weeks.<div><br></div><div>jim</div></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 14,=
2015 at 2:20 PM, Duncan Charlton <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:d=
uncan.charlton54@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">duncan.charlton54@gmail.com</=
a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-w=
rap:break-word">The nitriding cost (via Dennis Murray of Performance Engine=
Service in Austin, TX) turned out to be $400 (plus $72 shipping), much les=
s than I expected.=C2=A0 Dennis said that was his cost, so perhaps going di=
rect to Mile High Crankshafts in Denver might cost a bit more.=C2=A0 Compar=
ed to the cost of a forged crank that seems like a helluva deal for the For=
d 1500 pre-crossflow race motor I=E2=80=99m building for the Morgan.<div><b=
r></div><div>Duncan</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><div>On Dec 11, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Brian Schirano <<a href=3D"mailto=
:bschirano@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">bschirano@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<=
/div><br><div><div><div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-fam=
ily:'times new roman','new york',times,serif;font-size:16px=
"><div><span>My crank was nitrided at a local steel treating shop here in R=
ochester NY then back to machine shop for (re)polishing, (re)tolerancing, b=
alancing</span></div><div></div><div>=C2=A0</div><div><div>26A GT6+, 28 TR6=
</div>Brian Schirano<br><a href=3D"tel:585-305-0349" value=3D"+15853050349"=
target=3D"_blank">585-305-0349</a> Cell=C2=A0<br><a href=3D"mailto:BSchira=
no@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">BSchirano@yahoo.com</a></div><br> <div sty=
le=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px"> <di=
v style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida =
Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font size=3D"2" face=
=3D"Arial"> <hr size=3D"1"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span=
></b> Duncan Charlton <<a href=3D"mailto:duncan.charlton54@gmail.com"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank">duncan.charlton54@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style=3D"f=
ont-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Greg Blake <<a href=3D"mailto:gblake58tr=
3@icloud.com" target=3D"_blank">gblake58tr3@icloud.com</a>> <br><b><span=
style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@au=
tox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br> <b><span sty=
le=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 11, 2015 9:06 PM<=
br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] GT6 C=
onnecting rods<br> </font> </div> <div><br>Dennis sent my Ford 1500 crank t=
o a guy in Colorado for nitriding.=C2=A0 He said it would be about $800, in=
cluding final straightening and grinding to spec (Monday I=E2=80=99ll pick =
it up and find out what the final cost is).<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"=
none">Duncan<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">> O=
n Dec 11, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Greg Blake <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto=
:gblake58tr3@icloud.com" target=3D"_blank">gblake58tr3@icloud.com</a>> w=
rote:<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> Sounds like a deal con=
sidering what we pay Dennis these days which does not include the nitriding=
process. <br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> Can you specify b=
earing clearances and radius treatment?<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D=
"none">> Sent from my iPhone<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">&=
gt;> On Dec 9, 2015, at 9:46 AM, <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:rkrame=
r3@austin.rr.com" target=3D"_blank">rkramer3@austin.rr.com</a> wrote:<br cl=
ear=3D"none">>> <br clear=3D"none">>> Does anyone have experien=
ce with APT nitrided cranks? They list a fully race prepped and nitrided 6 =
cylinder crank at just under a grand.<br clear=3D"none">>> Bob Kramer=
<br clear=3D"none">>> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:rkramer3@austi=
n.rr.com" target=3D"_blank">rkramer3@austin.rr.com</a><br clear=3D"none">&g=
t;> <br clear=3D"none">>> ---- Brian Schirano <<a shape=3D"rect=
" href=3D"mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_blank">bschirano@yahoo.com=
</a>> wrote: <br clear=3D"none">>>> 2 Cents from a modest built=
GT6 racer (IE 10:1 CR, stock rods, crank, Good GP3 cam, etc).=C2=A0 Russ&#=
39;s comments are dead on - building the car is one expense, racing it is a=
recurring one and his estimate of $1000 per event is good. So build in mar=
gin of safety in the motor (and other components) where you can.<br clear=
=3D"none">>>> aluminum flywheel and clutch & PP I went to Ted =
Shumaker, TSI - TS Imports<br clear=3D"none">>>> RE the rods - at =
the time of my first (only) rebuild a couple years ago I couldn't affor=
d carrillos or Pauters, but did spend some long green on nitriding and poli=
shing the crank, balancing everything, and of course the ARP hardware every=
where that counts . My car is NOT a high rev machine, I self limit at 6200 =
- 6300 RPM and it seems all the straights are uphill so she never redlines =
there anywise!<br clear=3D"none">>>> So to me, it can be done, but=
has to be consistent with the rest of your build. my next build will be a =
higher CR and hotter cam, so will be upgrading rods, and pistons as well. B=
ut the first build was built conservative for longevity.<br clear=3D"none">=
>>> Brian 26A GT6+, 28 TR6Brian Schirano<br clear=3D"none">>>=
;> <a href=3D"tel:585-305-0349" value=3D"+15853050349" target=3D"_blank"=
>585-305-0349</a> Cell <br clear=3D"none">>>> <a shape=3D"rect" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:BSchirano@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_blank">BSchirano@yahoo.com</a>=
<br clear=3D"none">>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: Spitfire Racing <<a =
shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com"; target=3D"_blan=
k">spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">>>> To: =
'Jamie' <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:tr6driver@yahoo.com"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">tr6driver@yahoo.com</a>>; 'McKearn McKearn' <=
;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:mckearn2@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">mck=
earn2@gmail.com</a>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> Cc: 'FOT list&#=
39; <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">>>> Sent: Wednesd=
ay, December 9, 2015 8:02 AM<br clear=3D"none">>>> Subject: Re: [F=
ot] GT6 Connecting rods<br clear=3D"none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">&=
gt;>> A properly built and modified race engine represents a mighty i=
nvestment not<br clear=3D"none">>>> only of dollars but of time. I=
s that really where you want to pinch pennies?<br clear=3D"none">>>&g=
t; After all, with the exception of pistons and crank that is one of the<br=
clear=3D"none">>>> primary components and all it takes is one pie=
ce inside an engine to reduce<br clear=3D"none">>>> all your work =
and investment to nothing more than scrap metal. One seized<br clear=3D"non=
e">>>> valve, or substandard bolt even can be a disaster. It doesn=
't take much.<br clear=3D"none">>>> Realize all the ancillary =
invested expenditures that are also at risk like a<br clear=3D"none">>&g=
t;> weekend's entry fee you lose in an engine failure; the cost of t=
ime off from<br clear=3D"none">>>> work to go to a race weekend; t=
he cost of food and lodging for the race<br clear=3D"none">>>> out=
ing and the cost of just getting there. When asked, I usually advise<br cle=
ar=3D"none">>>> folks to figure a race weekend is ~$1000 minimum w=
hen you roll all in.<br clear=3D"none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>=
>> A number of racers have run Pauter rods as stated before by Bill a=
nd these<br clear=3D"none">>>> do present a less expensive alterna=
tive. I had the opportunity to rebuild an<br clear=3D"none">>>> en=
gine last year with Pauter rods and they were quite substantial and were<br=
clear=3D"none">>>> well designed, constructed and balanced. Perso=
nally I have seen far too many<br clear=3D"none">>>> Chinese knock=
-offs; reproductions (call them what you will), that fail to<br clear=3D"no=
ne">>>> come close to the parts they try to mimic. <br clear=3D"no=
ne">>>> I suggest you perhaps delay your build until your war ches=
t allows for top<br clear=3D"none">>>> quality internals. Do it on=
ce and do it right the first time and reduce the<br clear=3D"none">>>=
> potential for disappointing expensive disaster.<br clear=3D"none">>=
>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> Russ Moore<br clear=3D"none">>&=
gt;> Spitfire #49<br clear=3D"none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>=
>> -----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">>>> From: Fo=
t [mailto:<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] On Behalf Of Jamie<br clear=
=3D"none">>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 6:22 AM<br clear=
=3D"none">>>> To: McKearn McKearn<br clear=3D"none">>>> C=
c: FOT list<br clear=3D"none">>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Connectin=
g rods<br clear=3D"none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> Altho=
ugh I was initially very wary, they have worked well for over 1,000<br clea=
r=3D"none">>>> race miles in our (horror) MGB engine.<br clear=3D"=
none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> Jamie Palmer<br clear=3D=
"none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>=
>>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 11:52 PM, McKearn McKearn <<a shape=3D"r=
ect" href=3D"mailto:mckearn2@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">mckearn2@gmail.co=
m</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">>>>> <br clear=3D"none">>=
>>> Hi Gents.<br clear=3D"none">>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I am=
looking for feedback on the MaxSpeeding connecting rods for GT6.<br clear=
=3D"none">>>> Can't afford Carrillos and I'm hoping these =
are good. Also am still<br clear=3D"none">>>> searching for an alu=
minum flywheel without having something custom made. and<br clear=3D"none">=
>>> would like input on what type of clutch to use as well . Lets =
call it a race<br clear=3D"none">>>> car for the sake of argument.=
...<br clear=3D"none">>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 Thanks.=C2=A0 P.J.<br clear=3D"none">>>>> _________________=
______________________________<br clear=3D"none">>>>> <a shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.te=
am.net</a><br clear=3D"none">>>>> <br clear=3D"none">>>&g=
t;> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://www.fot-racing.com/"; target=3D"_bla=
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